@Cmdr:

@mpc220:

@axis_roll:

I just think it’s lame to copy his rules from a different game and add them to the new game and label them under someone elses previously established name.

I agree completely.  The three guys you mentioned cared for and nurtured the AARe ruleset for YEARS, and now it’s basically been hijacked out from under them.

They were not hijacked.  Cousin_Joe and everyone else was made fully aware of what was being done when the official word came that they had no interest in creating the Anniversary Enhanced Rules themselves.  They were asked, begged and pleaded with to assist and they chose not too.  They relinquished control provided we did not make any drastic changes.

Did it ever occur to you that their non-response meant that they did not agree with your intentions?

Perhaps C_Js email has changed or he did not have time is his real life to engage in an email battle exchange with you.  A lack of response is no endorsement of your rules set.  I have sent out a request to Cousin_Joe to endorse your rules set, but he has not yet responded.

Do you know why?  Most likely it is due to the fact that Chris has life outside this message board.  He is a family man now, and A&A takes a back seat to being a father. Instead of posting 28,000+ messages, he lives in the real world.

I really could care less what sort of ramblings you post about me.  Your Enhanced skills we so pathetic in the three games we played, I might as well have been playing a total newbie instead of you.  Explain it in any fashion that you will in follow up replies, but your game was very poor in my book.

Again I await your evidence that Cousin_Joe endorses your AA50HP version of the rules.  Did you ever read (and comprehend) the logic behind WHY AARe was originally created in the first place?  Perhaps Cousin Joe’s own words on THIS message board might enlighten you:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=13277.msg374877#msg374877

Post what ever insults and personal attacks you want about me.  Your AARe game is weak.  Just because you have run into the wall a thousand times does not mean on the 1001th time you will break through the wall and achieve your objective.  In case my analogy is not clear, I will rephrase: Putting on clothes 1000 times does not make one an expert at fashion just as playing 1000 games or posting 1527+  posts makes you an expert at A&A.  In other words, cutting 1000 lawns does not make you an expert groundskeeper.

Again. please posts evidence that ANY ONE of the original AARe from the Avalon hill boards agree with you on your AA50"e" version of the rules.

Doing a line by line comparison would show you that almost everything from AARe is the same in AA50e.

But AA50 is a different game from AAR. You can’t just recycle all the old rules and repackage them yourself and expect to have the same quality of rule set that is AARe. It’s way too premature for a project like this, we don’t know enough about game balance with the OOB rules yet to start making fundamental changes to the rules and expecting quality game play. A direct quote from cousin_joe:

this is a whole new game and we can’t simply port over everything from AARe to AA50e

The “Enhanced” moniker is sort of like a brand name, in that it is associated with a certain level of quality. The original developers obviously put a lot of effort into the rule set, and it was thoroughly tested. Its not just a bunch of “cool” ideas someone slapped together and presented as a ruleset. For the vast, vast majority of house rules, this is not the case.

So while you may argue that most of the rules are the same anyway, and you have the right to call it whatever you want, etc, etc. well, yeah, this is true, the rules are mostly the same and the “Enhanced” name is not copyrighted. But your ruleset is not the same quality product that AARe was, sorry. And you clearly do not have the blessing of the original development team. This is not a slam at you, its just the facts: AA50 has only been out a few months for crying out loud! By using the “Enhanced” name you are misleading people. I suspect this is why axis_roll is up in arms about this, and rightly so. I would feel the same way if I was one of the lead developers of AARe.

Like I said, you can call the rules whatever you want, but why not just call it something different for now? If not to satisfy axis_roll and the original AARe developers, then at least do it as a service to the community so that the “Enhanced” brand is not tarnished.

@Cmdr:

I do have responses from him and NONE OF THE RESPONSES say not to use the “enhanced” tag.  They are all congratulatory and thankful for the hard work put in.  Not a single response contains a critique.

If you would please forward these emails to me at WILLIAMJPRICE@yahoo.com and I will be satisfied.

From the looks of one of C_J’s last posts: http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=13277.msg374877#msg374877
it appears that he was still considering the best way to create an Enhanced rules set for AA50.

Your forwarded emails with his approval will be enough for me to say that these are a Cousin_Joe endorsed version of AA50e.
It’s a simple request.

Looking forwards to those emails.

@Cmdr:

These rules have been accepted just about everywhere at this point.  Players may chose to alter them on their own if they like, house rules are house rules, but so far, these are the only OFFICIAL Axis and Allies Anniversary Edition Enhanced Rules.  No other AA50e rules exist.

There are plenty of posts here the shows this is not ‘accepted just about everywhere’.

Original developer (Cousin Joe) of AARe is working on AA50e.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=13277.msg374877#msg374877

This is not attacking you, Jennifer, but the name you are stealing.

Please continue your work; just call it AA50jen.

Ok everybody is now limited to ONE whining post. All who have posted so far have filled their quota.

Talk about the ideas and not the other stuff.

If you’re going to delete my posts, you should delete hers as well–there is absolutely no way that she owns a copyright on that title.  I would think that this site and this hobby deserves better than to let obvious lies stand while deleting the posts of people who point them out.

I will delete every post that is a whining post. Jennifer is not complaining but basically answering the whiners and its sidetracking the thread.

You and the other have had way too many posts where you just complain. Look at your total posts and compare them to posts that are not about the whining sound. I could give you more latitude if you have 1,000 posts and you got 5 complaining posts, but your ratio is like 98% complaining posts. enough.

The owner for Enhanced is here:

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The owner of the other name ( Axis and Allies) you all STEAL is here:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/aa/welcome.

So if you want to copyright ENHANCED you need to talk to Mr. Baker and if you want to copyright Axis and Allies call AH and pay them off.

Other than that your basically just making house rules for a game that has been published and NOBODY can claim anything because 100% of all the house rules came from other people who took the rules and called it their own.

Anyway, just an FYI, my copywrite has been approved so I legally own the name.

Hahahaha. Any credibility you might have had just went out the window.

Whew… some bad blood rolling around here. But an FYI, you cannot have sole rights to that exact name… because you do not own the material/trademark it is based on in the first place. Save yourself the $15 and don’t bother copyrighting  what is classified as a “derivative work,” unless there is profit involved (which also entails a contractual agreement with the owner/original creator).  Good stuff though.

You like to reopen old wounds that healed over a year ago?

No, I’m saving people some cash, time, and a useless gesture (getting a copyright on derivative work).  And I’ve also stated (“Good stuff though”) that the rules are good, I like 'em, I plan on seeing if one of my groups would like to try incorporating a few. If you’re so worried about ‘reopening wounds,’ then why would this thread still be here as it is? Lock it, or delete it (but take the enhancement rules and make them readily available elsewhere first of course).

Usually people don’t bring up threads that are about 8+ pages back. I figured the people who were in this thread had decided that they had to agree to disagree and leave it at that.