Chechnya

I agree… but…

If the US can attack Iraq, Russia should have free reign in Chechnya. Russia is stabilizing. In fact, Russia is emerging as an economic power in the long term again (10-15 years from now). Already Siberia is being exploited for oil. Once those new rail lines are in place, Russia will surpase Saudi Arabia as the biggest oil exporter (or have they already done that).

It’s hard to decide which country is worse, Russia or Saudi Arabia. But I agree with the Chechens wanting to leave. I mean, who would want to stay in the Russian Federation?

Russia is a Democracy. Saudi Arabia is the most oppresive country within 1000 miles of itself.

This whole situation makes me sick.
The US and Canada continue to cow-tow to Russia and China despite the enforced oppressive dominance over countries which rightfully should be sovereign (at least as much as the US was in 1776), and yet we bomb Serbia for similar continued annexation of Croatia and Montenegro (i was against the bombings, btw - but then again, i am continually against bombings . . . ). I believe Taiwan, Chechnya and Quebec should all be free, independent countries, irrespective of what is actually “better for them”. How do we know, long term, that it is better for these people to be part of the larger country?
Having said that, i disapprove of these terroristic activities by the Chechnyan people, but i’m 100% certain that not one of them gives a rats ass about my approval
cc

@cystic:

This whole situation makes me sick.
The US and Canada continue to cow-tow to Russia and China despite the enforced oppressive dominance over countries which rightfully should be sovereign (at least as much as the US was in 1776), and yet we bomb Serbia for similar continued annexation of Croatia and Montenegro (i was against the bombings, btw - but then again, i am continually against bombings . . . ). I believe Taiwan, Chechnya and Quebec should all be free, independent countries, irrespective of what is actually “better for them”. How do we know, long term, that it is better for these people to be part of the larger country?
Having said that, i disapprove of these terroristic activities by the Chechnyan people, but i’m 100% certain that not one of them gives a rats ass about my approval
cc

Quebec is a whole different story, my friend. 40% of Francophone Quebeckers dont’ want to leave while another 40% are committed separatists. The remaining 20% are on the fence. Also, there are the Cree Indians in the nroth that want to stay in Canada. Quebec is a very complex situation. The federal government can kill spearatism in Quebec with its Supreme Court ruling. If they make it so that Quebec needs 66% of its votes for separatism in order to leave, that should permanently kill Separatism in Quebec. Now all we have to do is worry about BC and Alberta.

You forgot one thing CC.

Palestine should be independent from Israel. Same exact situation as Chechnya.

• Chechnyans commit terrorism (hostage crisis last week). We do not support terrorism, so Russia can retaliate in Chechnya. So, as long as we continue to support Israel, we must let Russia do their dirty work in Checknya. The solution? Screw Israel.

A fair point, Yanny, in some respects, however this is also problematic in a few regards as well. For example, there are few recognised territorial lines by which Palastine might be secceeded. Furthermore, Israel is far too important an ally to the Americans for them to effectively turn their backs on it, particularly given the history of support - basically you’d suggest the flushing of gigantic amounts of cash down the toilet spent helping Israel establish itself. Not a good argument by any stretch, i know. Finally you may look at this as “poor Palestine”, however given Jewish history, as well as geopolitical landscape of Israel, i can see other problems with this as well.
But I can see your reasoning.

(I am on a sugar high, prepare for harse statements)

Screw Israel. The Israelites lived in Israel 2,000 years ago. From the time they left, to 1948, the Palestinians have called the place home. The Cannonites are a distinct ethnic group which the Palestinians have descended from. These Cannonites have the same amount, if not more, historical backround in Israel.

Russia is more important to us than Israel. a) Russia has 10,000 nukes, Israel has like 20. b) Russia is the world’s biggest oil exporter (just confirmed it in almanac) c) Russia needs help, Israel doesnt and finally d) You don’t see people crashing planes into buildings over Russia.

right.
maybe 'cuz the chechnyans havn’t acquired planes yet . . . give them time. They’ve already taken out a few buildings.

@Yanny:

(I am on a sugar high, prepare for harse statements)

Screw Israel. The Israelites lived in Israel 2,000 years ago. From the time they left, to 1948, the Palestinians have called the place home. The Cannonites are a distinct ethnic group which the Palestinians have descended from. These Cannonites have the same amount, if not more, historical backround in Israel.

Russia is more important to us than Israel. a) Russia has 10,000 nukes, Israel has like 20. b) Russia is the world’s biggest oil exporter (just confirmed it in almanac) c) Russia needs help, Israel doesnt and finally d) You don’t see people crashing planes into buildings over Russia.

I don’t know where you got your history from but it’s very altered. The Palestinians can’t be the descendants of the Canaanites. The Canaanites were most likely gone by the assyrian era and if not, they Assyrian policy of displacing and scattering nations wiped them out. By the Roman era, when the Jewish exile occurred after the Bar Kochba Revolt of 135 CE, the Canaanites and the Philistines, both people that the Palestinians claim to have come form, were long gone. Hadrian renamed Judea “Palestine” because he hoped to make the Jews extinct like the Philistines were. Also, the exile did not begin right at 135 CE. In the year 400 the Jerusalem Talmud was finished in Palestine and even beyond that time there were still Jews in the land.

BTW, the Palestinians do not resmeble the Philistines or Canaanites in language, religion, society, culture etc.

There has never been a terrorist attack on the US by Chechnyians, or any attack in result of the US’s support of Russia. 3,000 died on 9/11 from an attack that was caused by our support to Israel.

Supporting the Russians would not cause us to export mass numbers of weapons to them, like we do to Israel. Supporting the Russians would give us something in return, Regional Political Stability, and Economic Gain.

The Canaanites settled in the Syria-Israel area after the Assryians no longer functioned as an organized civilization. So did the Philistines, although I know little about them so I cannot comment further.

I agree that the Chechnyians should have the right to independence… though they’ll probably be worse off if they do. It’s up to the people to decide.

I agree w/ Moses.
And yanny - to suggest that 9/11 happened merely b/c of US support of Israel is short of anti-semitism. At the very least its an ignorant comment.

Us support for Israel has shown almost no benefits short of shared intelligence (which the Israelis rarely do). There is no denying it, the only reason terrorists from the Middle East (mostly Saudi Arabia, our ally), target us is because we are on Israel’s side. I couldn’t care less about what religion the Israelis are. Religion is unimportant to me.

russia wants to invade georgia (to stop cheychen rebels) on the basis that if the US can invade Iraq then russia can invade georgia

@Yanny:

There has never been a terrorist attack on the US by Chechnyians, or any attack in result of the US’s support of Russia. 3,000 died on 9/11 from an attack that was caused by our support to Israel.

Supporting the Russians would not cause us to export mass numbers of weapons to them, like we do to Israel. Supporting the Russians would give us something in return, Regional Political Stability, and Economic Gain.

The Canaanites settled in the Syria-Israel area after the Assryians no longer functioned as an organized civilization. So did the Philistines, although I know little about them so I cannot comment further.

What are you talking about? If you just follow biblical history you can see that you’re way off. The Canaanites and Philistines continued to exist when King David controlled Israel, that was before the Assyrians. They came several hundred years later anf finished off many civilizations with their policy of displacing people. Read the books of Samuel and Kings.

biblical history

Myth.

Yanny in his infinite wisdom said:

There is no denying it, the only reason terrorists from the Middle East (mostly Saudi Arabia, our ally), target us is because we are on Israel’s side.

I only wish I had such ability to read the mind of arabs.