AA50 Rules Errata and Q+A

Yes, he can choose to ignore the sub.

does western canada touch sea zone 1?

No.

@Krieghund:

No.

thank you, that’s good to know.

I have a question on AA-fire.

Do AA guns fire during fly overs (during a combat move)?

It can up in a game.

Situtation:

AA gun on France and AA gun on Ger.

UK ftrs (in Bul) flyover Ger and attack Fra.  
Do the Germany AA guns get a chance to fire before France’s?

Nope… those Spitfires are flying too high and not near those AA’s in Germany.

Bummer.

So an AA in Persia, doesn’t protect Cauc/Kaz from J ftrs in Sz 34?

Wow.

@DarthMaximus:

Bummer.

So an AA in Persia, doesn’t protect Cauc/Kaz from J ftrs in Sz 34?

Wow.

That’s right.  It was one of the MAJOR changes from the Revised edition.

Wish I knew it a little earlier.  Lol!

@Global-commander:

@Krieghund:

No.

thank you, that’s good to know.

in 1942 set up, is solomen Islands considered an original jap territory since they start the game controlling it?

@Global-commander:

@Global-commander:

@Krieghund:

No.

thank you, that’s good to know.

in 1942 set up, is solomen Islands considered an original jap territory since they start the game controlling it?

No.  You go by what is printed on the map (so original territories are the same in 1941 and 1942).  It is an original UK territory, and won’t count for that NO.

Could someone please answer this question:

Setup:
there is a japanese fleet in Z36 with a destroyer
there are japanese ground units on FIC
the USA owns PHI
the USA puts a submarine in Z36 during noncombat

Question:  on the Japanese turn, can the Japanese use the destroyer to attack the submarine AND load units to a transport from Z36 to attack PHI?

As I read the rules, if the Japanese ignore the USA submarine, they can load units in Z36 during the combat phase.

Cheers

Yes.  Enemy subs can always be ignored during movement when there are no enemy surface warships present.

But is it possible that the US moves a sub in sz36 during NCM, since there is a destroyer, I guess it cancels the sub ability no ?

Subs can always move into or out of a sea zone containing an enemy destroyer.  They may not move through one, as their movement stops when they enter such a zone.

Even Yoshi didn’t know that rule.  That was a big eye opener when you clarified it on the 1940 thread, Kevin.  I don’t think there are very many players that understand you can move a sub into a zone with an enemy destroyer, during noncombat.  It’s good that this has come up in both threads.

So, does this mean that a sub can always dive?
In other words, the DD’s presence does not negate the ability to dive.

that is the only way to explain how a sub can move into a SZ in NCM:  diving avoids any combat.

I also do not get the point ; it looks like one more special rule to me… what’s the logic behind ?

@axis_roll:

So, does this mean that a sub can always dive?
In other words, the DD’s presence does not negate the ability to dive.

that is the only way to explain how a sub can move into a SZ in NCM:  diving avoids any combat.

It has nothing to do with submerging.  It has to do with moving in noncombat movement.  If a sub wants to fight, it moves into the sea zone in combat movement.  If it doesn’t, it moves in noncombat movement.  Submerging means escaping combat once the battle begins, not avoiding it entirely.  If a sub wants to avoid a fight when moving, it simply doesn’t make its presence known, which means moving in noncombat.

A sub must stop when entering a sea zone with an enemy destroyer not because it can’t submerge there (which it can’t), but because the destroyer’s ability to detect the sub forces it to be more slow and cautious in its movement.  The rule concerning a sub stopping in a sea zone with a destroyer deals with movement phases only, while the submerging rules deal with the combat phase only.

As to people not knowing this rule, I’m not I understand that.  It’s clearly stated in the Rulebook.  The only explanation I can think of is that it’s “baggage” from previous games’ rules.

I think that part of the confusion in this issue lies with the term “submerge” itself.  I regret that it was ever used.  It (rightfully) has a connotation of submarines moving under the surface.  However, it game terms it simply means diving deep to escape combat.  I would have preferred the term “disengage”, but it’s too late to change it now.

But there is an underlying rule that non combat movements can not result in any combat.  I believe this is the rule that is causing the confusion.

The sole exception being tpt and subs, which can always be ignored.

I would THINK that moving a sub into a SZ with an enemy destroyer would create a combat situation since the SZ is occupied with a DD.

So, following this logic, there is an inferred special capability of a sub to move during NCM into an enemy DD occupied SZ.  Call it whatever, but no other units can move during NCM into enemy controlled SZ’s.