AA50 Rules Errata and Q+A

A couple of questions on Russia’s Arch NO.

#1 - If Russia takes Fin and/or Nor (or any Ger ter) and the UK/US land in Fin/Nor does this cancel the Arch NO?

Or does it only count for when the UK/US Allies move to Russia’s original (red) territories?

#2 - If you move the UK AA from Ind to Cauc, does this cancel the Arch NO?  (Note the UK AA is the only Allied unit in any Russian ter.)

@DarthMaximus:

#1 - If Russia takes Fin and/or Nor (or any Ger ter) and the UK/US land in Fin/Nor does this cancel the Arch NO?

Yes.

@DarthMaximus:

Or does it only count for when the UK/US Allies move to Russia’s original (red) territories?

Any territory with a Soviet control marker on it counts, including territories liberated by another Allied power.

@DarthMaximus:

#2 - If you move the UK AA from Ind to Cauc, does this cancel the Arch NO?  (Note the UK AA is the only Allied unit in any Russian ter.)

Yes.  The AA gun will still belong to the UK, so it counts as an Allied unit.  However, if the Axis then captures Caucasus (and the AA gun) and then it is subsequently recaptured by the USSR (or by any Allied power if the USSR controls Moscow when it’s retaken), the USSR will then own the AA gun and it will no longer count against the NO.

Thanks, that’s what I thought.

I have a guestion. If a trasport moves one and loads then can it move one more and then unload?

yes,
a transport cam load cargo before, during or after it’s move.  If it picks up before or during, it can off-load at the end of it’s move.

it’s on page 31 of the manual too,

2 quick rules questions

1. If a Paratrooping bomber attacks a territory which contains no units other than an aa gun, does the aa gun still fire?  I am guessing that it would, but could I get a clarification?

2. A transport starts the turn with 2 units on it.  (The 2 units were loaded on the last turn during the non-combat phase and were not offloaded.)  May the transport amphibiously attack a territory with only 1 of the units, leaving the other unit on the transport?  Think, US takes Iwo Jima, but wants to keep a unit on the transport because Japan’s air force could strafe and destroy both land units on Iwo Jima?

2a. A transport is carrying 1 inf, 1 aa.  When the transport conducts an amphibious assault, what options does the aa gun have?  It must stay on the transport?  It must offload in the attack, but if the attack fails, then the defenders get a free aa gun?  or what?

1. I see no reason why the AA gun wouldn’t fire, it’s still a bomber attacking a territory and the territory does have a defending unit - the AA gun.  But I’ve been wrong before.

2. Regarding offloading of units that are in the boat already, I asked about something similar a while back and I’m pretty sure you can choose to unload only one of the units during combat phase.  The catch is that you can’t then unload the other into either the same or a different territory (adjacent to the same sz) during NCM.  The unit has to stay on the boat.

2.a) AA guns can not move during combat moves, so the AA would have to have already been on the boat at the start of the turn, and must stay on the boat during the amphib assault.  It then must stay on the boat through the end of the turn since the transport already unloaded in combat moves and can’t unload again during NCM.

Thanks for answering those, Tim.  I’m not sure how I missed them when they were posted, but I did.

Sorry, Bardoly.  :oops:

@LuckyDay:

yes,
a transport cam load cargo before, during or after it’s move.  If it picks up before or during, it can off-load at the end of it’s move.

it’s on page 31 of the manual too,

I believe it can load and offload at the end of it’s move too (move then bridge).  Am I wrong?

You are correct.

Krieg, i’d be grateful if you can answer this one.  A fighter moves 4 spaces to a seazone in the combat move.  A carrier also moves to the zone in the combat, the player declaring the fighter will land on the carrier if it survives.  If the carrier is destroyed but the fighter lives, will the fighter drown in the sea or be allowed to move one extra space to land as a defending fighter would?

Thanks  :-)

Only defending fighters get the one-space movement.  In your example, the attacking fighter has used all of its movement, so it’s stuck in the sea zone.  Unless another carrier can be moved there in noncombat movement or the sea zone is adjacent to an IC from which a carrier is being mobilized in the current turn, the fighter will be lost.

Got a Tech question for Krieg (or anyone).   :-)

I just checked out the updated FAQ.  I saw that Jet  Fighter Tech changes the attack value of the fighter escorts from 1 to 2.

With that in mind, if the tech changes the rules for fighter escorts, wouldn’t it be logical to change the rules for Industrial Raids of a power that has Increased Factory Production?

I understand the point that IFP is an increase in the efficiency of the IC not their size. But wouldn’t you think a Raid on a IC directly affects that IC’s efficiency to produce units?

For example, Caucasus.  If Russia has Increased Factory Production that IC can now produce 8 units.  Even if the IC is completely bombed out, that IC can still produce 2 units. 
Which is still half the value of what that territory could originally produce.

It just seems a little unfair to me that a territory can be completely bombed out and said territory can still produce half of it’s original production capacity.

Thoughts?  Thanks

Edit:  Oops never mind, i just realized my example is wrong because the Caucasus IC would only produce 6 units not 8.

But still, forget my bad example and just think about my original question.  :-D

@I:

For example, Caucasus.  If Russia has Increased Factory Production that IC can now produce 8 units.  Even if the IC is completely bombed out, that IC can still produce 2 units.

As far as I understand the rules - even with IFP - the maximum damage to Caucasus is 12.
You still have to remove for example 8 damage to produce 2 units.

You have to remove all 12 damage to be able to produce 6+2=8 units.

So IFP takes effect only on production capacities that are not damaged.

Am I right?

The reason that escort fighters’ attack value is increased by Jet Power is that Jet Power directly affects fighters’ attack value.  That increase applies in both normal combat and SBRs.  In contrast, Increased Factory Production increases an IC’s ability to mobilize units, not the IPC value of its territory.  Since bombing damage is limited by the IPC value of the territory, it is unaffected by IFP.

The mobilization capacity and the damage cap being based on two different numbers creates a little shift in the balance between how many points of damage are directly applied to production and how many are applied to “infrastructure”, as the numbers are no longer 50/50.  However, the total damage exposure is unchanged.  This is attributed to the increase in efficiency of the factories.

Basically, the designers felt that giving an increase in the number of damage points that can be applied would in effect be penalizing the player for getting the tech.  However, part of the reason that IFP’s effects are now limited to ICs in territories worth three IPCs or more is so that situations like the one you’re talking about, where ICs can’t be shut down by SBRs, don’t occur.

@Krieghund:

The reason that escort fighters’ attack value is increased by Jet Power is that Jet Power directly affects fighters’ attack value.  That increase applies in both normal combat and SBRs.  In contrast, Increased Factory Production increases an IC’s ability to mobilize units, not the IPC value of its territory.  Since bombing damage is limited by the IPC value of the territory, it is unaffected by IFP.

The mobilization capacity and the damage cap being based on two different numbers creates a little shift in the balance between how many points of damage are directly applied to production and how many are applied to “infrastructure”, as the numbers are no longer 50/50.  However, the total damage exposure is unchanged.  This is attributed to the increase in efficiency of the factories.

Basically, the designers felt that giving an increase in the number of damage points that can be applied would in effect be penalizing the player for getting the tech.  However, part of the reason that IFP’s effects are now limited to ICs in territories worth three IPCs or more is so that situations like the one you’re talking about, where ICs can’t be shut down by SBRs, don’t occur.

WOW!!!  Now THAT was a detailed, informative answer!

Thanks Krieg, you are truly the MAN!!!

@P@nther:

As far as I understand the rules - even with IFP - the maximum damage to Caucasus is 12.
You still have to remove for example 8 damage to produce 2 units.

You have to remove all 12 damage to be able to produce 6+2=8 units.

So IFP takes effect only on production capacities that are not damaged.

Am I right?

Not quite.  The maximum damage that can be inflicted is not affected by IFP, as it’s tied to the territory’s IPC value, and that doesn’t change.  Even with IFP, Caucacus’ IC can still only receive eight damage points maximum.  The difference is that you’d only need to repair three damage points in order to produce a unit there if the damage was at maximum.

Also my Caucasus example was completely wrong……  I flip-flopped the IFP and IR rules. And I was making the Caucasus territory worth 6 not 4 for some idiotic reason!

@Krieghund:

@P@nther:

As far as I understand the rules - even with IFP - the maximum damage to Caucasus is 12.
You still have to remove for example 8 damage to produce 2 units.

You have to remove all 12 damage to be able to produce 6+2=8 units.

So IFP takes effect only on production capacities that are not damaged.

Am I right?

Not quite.  The maximum damage that can be inflicted is not affected by IFP, as it’s tied to the territory’s IPC value, and that doesn’t change.  Even with IFP, Caucacus’ IC can still only receive eight damage points maximum.  The difference is that you’d only need to repair three damage points in order to produce a unit there if the damage was at maximum.

Got it, thank you :-)

@I:

Got a Tech question for Krieg (or anyone).   :-)

I just checked out the updated FAQ.  I saw that Jet  Fighter Tech changes the attack value of the fighter escorts from 1 to 2.

With that in mind, if the tech changes the rules for fighter escorts, wouldn’t it be logical to change the rules for Industrial Raids of a power that has Increased Factory Production?

As I see it, “Industrial raids” are strongly affected by IFP tech, as the power of industrial raids is effectively cut in half, considering with IFP 1 IPC pays for 2 damage instead of one.  Am I wrong?