Does Japan Amphibious Assault Pearl?

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You can’t realistically take a shot at the US till mid-game.

Here’s why.

J1 (Pearl assualt and taking of HI).

US 1 - buy 10 inf place on WUS.

J2 - what are you going to do assualt Mex, or Pan, or Ala???

US 2 - move 10 inf to W can, buy 10 inf place on WUS.

J3 - now what???

US 3 - buy trans and inf. Trans to EUS.

The US can still assault WE on Rd 4 (to back up the brits)
and Japan will never ever be able to get beyond owning Ala or Hi.

You have to wait till the US fleet has left the Pac and they have commited to Ger. (after rd 4 or 5).

In the meantime on J1-J5, you must take Chi, Sin, Ind, SFE, and be in position to take/trade Kaz, Eve, and Novo.

Now if you want to take a shot a Hi, Ala, and maybe sneak someone to Mex or Pan, maybe you can catch the US napping, but any attempt to early, and you could be inviting trouble.

LOL that just sounds funny

Yes I know it sounds like a Porno term.

In Classic, it almost works even better, since the “retreated” Japan fleet, plus additional units moved in to defend it in the retreat sea zone, are then within striking distance of almost anything they want to hit: Austrlia, New Zeland, Alaska, Western US, Mexico, SFE, Alaska, Midway, Hawaii.

And any new navy/consolidation by the US in the Pacific is within striking distance of that same Japan fleet.

Yes but I think you overestimate the importance of Austrailia/NZ/Hawaii and the Eastern Pacific Rim to Japan, and to that extent I think you would be under able to respond given slightly abherrant dice rolls. Further you seem set upon the idea that the US should build a fleet and even with good dice by Japan the US can take the fighter and get it in Europe and have a huge advantage.  If over the span of say 8 turns the US builds even 1 additional ftr and bmb then they can attack Germany in WEuro and Berlin with 10-12inf 4ftrs 2bmb bb.  This gives them ~6hits round 1 whereas normally they’re looking only at 3-4.  IMO this is a huge difference and borders very close to inviting a mid round attack on a Fortress Europe stronghold by the Allies unless you over garrison these terriorites which in turn will mean less Russian committment in the West which will allow it to hold off or even push back the Japanese in Asia.  Ultimately you end up with a very strong Russian Asian presence which prevents you from ever going to Africa which in turn deprives you of the IPCs needed to win.

The second possibility is even worse and this is that Japan gets bad or good dice.  Should Japan roll bad then obviously a counterattack is possible or the loss negates the effectiveness of this move.  Should Japan get “good” dice say take minimal loss while getting two hits, the US can and it should be assumed kill off its carrier ftr in order to retreat the sub so that they can trap the Jap Navy in Pearl to attack it.  The best defense against a Pearl counter is to be doing well enough in Africa so as to not give the US the ability to risk its units and thus the game in such a risky counter attack.  In other words anytime I’ve seen Pearl get counter attacked by the Americans it was always b/c of either two things.  First the Japs rolled bad or two b/c the Germans got mauled in Egypt.  Either way however the solution is to not fear the US at Pearl but to make them fear Germany in Europe.

I don’t bother taking Hawaii on J1, it is only 1 ipc and slows down the necessary Jap push in Asia. A smart US player will ignore this, and the possibility of Jap strat bombing the west coast isn’t too great a concern until much later in the game (when the game should already be decided). A smart Jap player will be better off strat bombing USSR - becasue the bomber(s) will be in position to assist other endeavers such as a possible capture of Moscow. However, if I am trying for economic victory as the Axis, I will likely take it (perhaps turn 7).

Assuming America has Heavies Japan can still defend its fleet for at least a few turns with 2bb cv 2ftrs. Japan can even purchase an additional carrier to help in this. But it isn’t certain that American Heavy bombers could reach the sea of Japan assuming Japan has pushed Russia back to Moscow. At the very least transports give Japan a few turns to roll tech in reponse to American heavy bombers, but when Japan has a few ICs on the board America can immediately nuke the Japanese.

Sounds good but a little confusing GG. I don’t think I want to get World at War because from what I’ve heard it does usually take all day. Sorry.

Why should germany be ready to push into Moscow on turn 5? The allies are dropping of units into Karelia faster than the Germans can build up. Germany is lucky to hold out until round 6 never mind being the one to cause the russians to retreat to Moscow. Germany’s goal is to stay alive and threaten Russia as much as possible to limit what the allies can throw against Japan.

By turn 5 the allies have had 10 transports pumping units into Europe. 20 allied units plus airforce can hit W. Europe, Germany or E. Europe by navy alone, no way Germany takes Karelia and you can’t threaten Moscow as Germany without Karelia.

BB

I agree, disrupting America for 3 turns can and will win you the game.