Transports in combat

@Admiral:

I really like these house rules on stealth submarines Bluestroke. Thanks. I can really only see two problems that could come from them…

First, all the players must be very diligent in their order writing. How tragic would it be to incorrectly write an order, or forget, thereby causing your whole plan to fail. Although this kind of adds an exciting flavor to the game which simulates a failure of communication lines. I really like this! On the flip side however, what happens to a sub if a series of movements culminating in some sort of combat situation are discovered to be based off of an incorrect, or impossible movement made much earlier in the units lifetime? Does this negate that particular submarines activity since that incorrect order? Does that submarine have to withdraw from that combat situation, or is it played out regardless of that earlier error?

Yes, the sub attacker must prove his path.  Any navigation mistakes cause the sub to be relocated back to where it should be, its actual locale, is exposed without an attack.
navigation incompetence is punished.

Second, all the players must be completely honest with each other when a submarine is found by a destroyer, whether it be by accident or on purpose. If one player isn’t completely honest, then the game could become very frustrating and a source of bitter arguments.  What type of repercussions do you use to deter those from committing such deceit ? Perhaps eliminating that submarine from play would be appropriate?

yes, integrity is required.  When destroyers enter sea zones, they have the right to demand sub review, so no one can feign ignorance.

Hopefully all the people I play with have enough brains to avoid screwing things up, and have enough dignity to not cheat.  :lol:

We enjoy it, the extra surprise element adds to the texture of the game.

Does anyone know (Krieghund?) what happens to transports when the following situation occurs:
A BB plus (loaded) trn moves into a seazone to conduct an amphibious assault. In the seazone are present a BB and a trn. The battleships start to go off at each other and both are destroyed.

What happens to the transports? Can they both keep on occupuying the same seazone (until one side sends in combat units) since they are not combat units? Can the amphibious assault still take place?

Another question I have is regarding subs and transports. For example take the German Baltic fleet. There are 1 ss, 1 ca and 1 trn there.

Let’s suppose there are no changes when it is UK’s turn and they attack it with their air (2 ftr, 1 bmb). The UK air combats the cruiser and wins easily. What happens next? Is the transport automatically destroyed even though there still remains combat units? (planes cannot see the subs and vice versa). So in the end only the sub remain?

If this is the case it would mean that the Baltic fleet is of not much use to Germany. Even less than in Revised/Classic.

@JohnBarbarossa:

Does anyone know (Krieghund?) what happens to transports when the following situation occurs:
A BB plus (loaded) trn moves into a seazone to conduct an amphibious assault. In the seazone are present a BB and a trn. The battleships start to go off at each other and both are destroyed.

What happens to the transports? Can they both keep on occupuying the same seazone (until one side sends in combat units) since they are not combat units? Can the amphibious assault still take place?

Both transports would survive, since neither side has any combat units left to destroy them with.  The attacker would then have the choice to either retreat or continue with the amphibious assault.

@JohnBarbarossa:

Another question I have is regarding subs and transports. For example take the German Baltic fleet. There are 1 ss, 1 ca and 1 trn there.

Let’s suppose there are no changes when it is UK’s turn and they attack it with their air (2 ftr, 1 bmb). The UK air combats the cruiser and wins easily. What happens next? Is the transport automatically destroyed even though there still remains combat units? (planes cannot see the subs and vice versa). So in the end only the sub remain?

If this is the case it would mean that the Baltic fleet is of not much use to Germany. Even less than in Revised/Classic.

Since the planes and subs can’t hit each other, the transport is defenseless and is destroyed.

That’s what I thought, it would be the most logical thing to happen. Thanks Krieghund for confirming it.

WOW! finally so transports are defensless@Krieghund:

@JohnBarbarossa:

Does anyone know (Krieghund?) what happens to transports when the following situation occurs:
A BB plus (loaded) trn moves into a seazone to conduct an amphibious assault. In the seazone are present a BB and a trn. The battleships start to go off at each other and both are destroyed.

What happens to the transports? Can they both keep on occupuying the same seazone (until one side sends in combat units) since they are not combat units? Can the amphibious assault still take place?

Both transports would survive, since neither side has any combat units left to destroy them with.  The attacker would then have the choice to either retreat or continue with the amphibious assault.

@JohnBarbarossa:

Another question I have is regarding subs and transports. For example take the German Baltic fleet. There are 1 ss, 1 ca and 1 trn there.

Let’s suppose there are no changes when it is UK’s turn and they attack it with their air (2 ftr, 1 bmb). The UK air combats the cruiser and wins easily. What happens next? Is the transport automatically destroyed even though there still remains combat units? (planes cannot see the subs and vice versa). So in the end only the sub remain?

If this is the case it would mean that the Baltic fleet is of not much use to Germany. Even less than in Revised/Classic.

Since the planes and subs can’t hit each other, the transport is defenseless and is destroyed.

new and testing out qoutes dotn midn the mishap

Enemy subs and enemy transports dont block the seazones anymore.
So it is possible to move only with a transport through a seazone occupied by 1 or more enemy subs?

@marechallannes:

Enemy subs and enemy transports dont block the seazones anymore.
So it is possible to move only with a transport through a seazone occupied by 1 or more enemy subs?

Yes.

transports are not blocks no more sob oh well this does not matter because i will just use destroyers then also my favourite country to be is russia because infantry infantry and infantry and now artillery yes i will not need tanks yes :evil:

@Krieghund:

@marechallannes:

Enemy subs and enemy transports dont block the seazones anymore.
So it is possible to move only with a transport through a seazone occupied by 1 or more enemy subs?

Yes.

Ugh … pretty ugly effect … shouldn’t be sub’s target allied convoys (in this game, trannies)?

@Funcioneta:

@Krieghund:

@marechallannes:

Enemy subs and enemy transports dont block the seazones anymore.
So it is possible to move only with a transport through a seazone occupied by 1 or more enemy subs?

Yes.

Ugh … pretty ugly effect … shouldn’t be sub’s target allied convoys (in this game, trannies)?

Yes, and on the sub’s turn it can move and destroy that unescorted transport automatically.

the subs will attack the trannie if they desire on there turn. I would like to piont out that i read a thread that subs can go through sea zones were destroyers are and not get attacked if the destroyer does not roll a 3 or lower and this roll gos for each 1 there.

Example. 3 subs are coming from a sea (baltic sea)  then in the english channel is 2 destroyers the 3 subs go to the sea under france but before they make it 2 destroyers get to roll 2 dice of 3 or lower if they find these 3 subs then they may choose to attack it. Nice thing huh subs go sub!

A question about transports in combat.

Here is the situation.

Turn 1 England moves an unescorted Transport to Sea Zone 12 in the Atlantic next to Gibraltar and offloads troops in Gibraltar.  On Italy’s turn, can he move his entire fleet from Italy to Sea Zone 12 and get 2 Shore Bombard shots (a “4” from his Battleship and a “3” from his Cruiser) and attack Gibraltar with 2 land troops (a man and a tank) and have the UK transport distroyed?

Please answer this, because this is an actual situation in a game we are currently playing.

we are currently playing….

Playing AA50 already?

@Imperious:

we are currently playing….

Playing AA50 already?

Ehhhh, yes of course, aren’t you then?  :-D

Take the R9 version of the map, load her up into a photoshop program and start printing the map on a colour printer. Then take a big piece of laminate (don’t know the exact English word) and use it to make a 63" by 33" board like we did.

Then use the pieces from AA and AAR and AAP for the different countries.

By the way, welcome everyone on this board.  :wink:

Driel, me and another guy are currently playing our first testgame. After that we want to play a second game and then we are gonna post are findings on this board. Regarding balance and optimal strategies.

@Imperious:

we are currently playing….

Playing AA50 already?

Yes, I currently live in China, but we have a group of Americans who like to play Axis & Allies, and we already have an older version of Axis and Allies for the pieces.  Here in China, we can print a nice full-sixe or larger gameboard out for about $5-6, so we did that for the AAHE, and we liked it, but we like the new map for AA50 better.  We already played 1 game, and the Alies won handily (The Axis conceeded after 7 rounds.), but that was because Germany lost all of his Air Force by the second turn, UK built and held an Indian IC which was never taken, and Russia got Mechanized Infantry.

We ARE planning to buy AA50 the next time one of us returns to America.

We already played 1 game, and the Alies won handily (The Axis conceeded after 7 rounds.), but that was because Germany lost all of his Air Force by the second turn, UK built and held an Indian IC which was never taken, and Russia got Mechanized Infantry.

It looks like Axis were not playing very well here.

To answer your question:
Yes Italy can do that. The unprotected UK t-port is automatically destroyed. Since it is not a combat unit, the Italian BB and CA can still use their offshores on Gibraltar.

Thank you for your answer.

You are right.  The German player made some bad moves and got some bad rolls, and dice fell the Allies way a little more than the Axis.

Oops, sorry about that. Next time I will refrain myself from answering these kind of questions until I actually have a rulebook.  :-D