Unit abilities

Since there was no sea battle in sea zone 12 and the destroyer did not participate in the amphibious assault, it did not participate in combat and is therefore free to move in noncombat movement.

The land units may not be offloaded in the same turn that the transports retreat.  This is covered on pages 21 and 31 of the rules.

That makes it a lot easier to block ICs from producing sea units, Sea Zones 5, 56, and 62 in particular.  More importantly, it makes Subs more effective at blocking those zones, because they get to use their higher attack value, and also be reinforced by air/naval units.

Another situation would be if Germany put a sub in each sea zone around the UK.  If Britain puts a Destroyer in each zone to counter, then Germany sends its airforce, while using the Subs as fodder.

my strategy only really helps the Russians if  you’re not using NO’s it can buy be pretty effective if the Russians and Brits work well in concert and if you own the Baltic.I know some people send fighters but your basically shelling out 1/3 of your income on 1 unit that is probably gonna die. What I do is buy 2 inf 1 art and 1 tank which is a fairly powerful force for less than the cost of 2 fighters.

@Gallo:

@Krieghund:

@Gallo:

2.a) they shoot before the attacker, and if roll at 1, if they score attacking unit sinks before having the chance of attacking – if attacking unit is a BB she can take the torpedo hit and attack anyway, but if it’s a Cruiser she goes to the bottom right there without dropping a single deep charge.

This is true if there’s no attacking desrtoyer.  If there is an attacking destroyer, the sub fires at the same time as the attacker(s) and the results are simultaneous.

yes, as I’ve stated, I was assuming no enemy destroyer attacking.
buy what does it means that “the sub fires at the same time”?
1.Attacker rolls
2.Defender select casualties
3.Defender moves casualties to casualty zone
4.Defender (subs) rolls
5.Attacker selects casualties
6.Everybody removes casualties.

that’s how it is, right?

Yes.

@Gallo:

@Krieghund:

@Gallo:

2.b) can submerge after attacker roll

If there’s no enemy destroyer, subs may submerge instead of rolling.  This can be done in any combat round, including the first, so a sub can submerge instead of firing before the attacker fires if desired.

yes, I’m always assuming no enemy destroyer attacking at this point…
but again, just to clarify:

If an attacking fleet with no destroyer moves into a sz defended by a submarine… the submarine can just choose to submerge without fighting? I mean: nobody fires? not even a first round?
Example: four British Battleships moves into a sz where there is just one single German submarine to attack it (I know that British can ignore it, but say that they want to sink that annoying U-Boat)… and the German sub can chose to submerge avoiding even the first attack?

Yes.

@Gallo:

@Krieghund:

@Gallo:

If there’s a destroyer present, subs can’t do their sneak-attack (2.a doesn’t work), and they can’t submerge

True.  They then fire at the same time as everything else.

again, by firing at the same time you mean the 6 steps mentioned above, right?

Yes.

Quality seems to be the same.  Germans seem to be darker.
I have 3 sets of Revised units as well. 
I now have 3 different shades of German pcs.

@a44bigdog:

I could see a problem with this on the board as we have two set ups for the game. Besides does it take that long to learn the set ups? I never look at the cards anymore when I resent my revised board.

You have a good point there, Bigdog.  Having the map preprinted with setups when you have two different set ups could lead to some confusion.

@Krieghund:

@captainjack:

@Krieghund:

@Corbeau:

Submarine: Can only be shot if there is a destroyer present in opposing fleet

Subs can only be hit by planes if there is a friendly destroyer in the battle.  Ships can hit subs anytime.

Really!?  I didn’t realize that.  So not even a DD can hit a sub??

You should read what you quoted again.

WOW!!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
I can’t tell you how many times I read that line and what my eyes kept seeing was “ships can’t hit subs anymore”
HAHAHA… oops.