• with the South Osetian and Abhazian cricis on the way

    and the war that just started cant forget Kosovo and the double standards on the secessionist movement issue. If we compare Kosovo and South Osetia we find similar standpoints in the rights of separation from Serbia/Georgia. IMHO South Osetian secessionist group has (much) more right to strugle for its succesion because of many reasons the main being that Albanians already have one state of theirs( Albania) and the Ossetians dont have any.

    A few days ago Georgia attacked the region. We all saw that. A few countries condemned the violence and only one stood for Ossetians both politically both military( Russia )

    It is reported that many civilians lost their lives. And that Chinkvali look like Stalingrad. The Georgians didnt announce anything. Didnt tried to negotiate more and their army didnt target military personel in particular as they ve killed many civillians. Now the Russians pushed them back in a swift, bright and brilliant counter action causing limited casualties number on both sides and targeting military facilities across Georgia.

    And the TV news( Croatian, Western) speak about Russian ocupation. The Russian army indeed entered Georgia. But the right of entering another country territory is guaranted if the enemy uses teritory for attacking on the attackers positions. I think if not mistaken its 30 km from the border it is allowed. Since most weapons cant reach that parameter.

    Hope this thread doesnt goes down as political. But the voices from Russia are simply true. The notion of agressor and victim is severely mistaken here as seing the Georgian politicians the good ones. and South Osetian( Russian) the bad guys

    Just if Georgia is small And Russia huge and if a conflict reamerges beetwen them doesnt mean that the Georgians stand the ˝right ground˝

    just to note that altough Russia has much more soldiers and weaponry it cant send all of them to South Osetia( teoretically yes but )

    The forces are few times bigger then Georgian maybe even 10 times maximum.
    Its still a lot but its not 100 or 200 as comparing in the media.

    And the timeline attack upon Osetia from the Georgian army. Its summer and more The Olympics. The Georgians tried to ˝solve the question˝ in a swift action and reach Russian border. They ve looked for international( media ) ignorance and/or if needed NATO political( mostly received )  and to some help in arms ( being receiving Israeli(Israeli-USA) weapon including no pilot planes in the last 7 years, the Georgian troops from Iraq were transfered to Georgia with USA planes, and the weaponry should come to Georgia by ships using the Black sea; but the Russians quickly moved their ships, sank one Georgian which carried weapons and created a naval blokade of the country) and the political and military retreat of Russia of which they were severely mistaken about…

    The Georgians( the Georgian regime ) were mistaken about Russia. Mistaken badly. And this fulish action is going to cost thee much. Russia wont let go its standground here. Unless it decides otherwise( which is not likely to happen )

    The one suffering the most from this conflict will be Georgia. Who know what will the next elections bring. Most Georgians and Russian wont to live in peace with each other. The war is evil people used to say. The Civilians in Chinvali and other South Osetian/Georgian towns are the ones that will suffer the most! We may pray and hope that the bloodspiling will stop as soon and that the opposing parties will stand upon negotiation tableand afcorse that the media will be transering news more realisticaly


  • What hypocrisy are you speaking of?

    Is it in regards to self autonomy, which Russia has been intervening in South Ossetia (a territory of Georgia that already has solid self rule) for its independence but has denied to states within itself such as Chechnya?

    Is it the comments of the US’s Prez and VP arguing that Russia should be condemned for invading a sovereign nation for spurious reasons?

    And while I’m not sure on my stance on the whole thing, I do know that you are wrong in saying the Georgians didn’t do anything but attack.  There were clashes in the week before August 8th, and the Georgian President Saakashvili called for a ceasefire, declared the autonomy offer still stood, and called for discussion with S. Ossetia.  It was a supposed separatist artillery bombardment from S. Ossetia into Georgia after this point that caused them to attack.

    I do know that all of this is unfortunate if there was a will for autonomy for both regions in Georgia, and that Russia getting involved is only making the situation more difficult.  And that oil is a large factor here, which is one big reason Russia would not let the states of this area secede in the first place.


  • There are doble standard being put. As i ve said. When the Policies of Western countries decide to support secessionist movements( Kosovo, Tibet…) than its ok but in the case of South Osetia its not ok.

    This is was and is primarily ethnic/national conflict. The politics always involve later in coflicts. It simply canot bypass it. But still first of all national/etnic conflict.

    In legal way yes Russia attacked a sovereign nation, but Iraq Afganistan Serbia…are independent nations too. So US admin. statements are pure cinicm

    The thing is. In South Osetia live people called Ossetians which speak Ossetian language.
    The same is with the Abhazians. The Georgians dont want too allow any of them to become independent states just as Spanish dont want Baskia, French Korzika, English Ireland(as whole) …

    And who knows if this statements of shooting prior the war are true.
    (The WWII began with Germany insinuating an attack from Polish forces on its border.)
    Who knows what happened down there. And even if it did come to few bullets exchanging it doesnt give the right to Georgian army to kill 1000 civilians. So much about the love for their Northern Province.

    Chechnya is very complicated question i agree.

    But i wonder if the native Americans in USA ask claim for some countries(states) of USA get back to them and become independent states how would that go? It wouldnt even come to any conflict. The protests would be crushed in the root.

    I know its not white and black here on this issue. But still the thing is that Georgians attacked by thinking Russian will not intervene or if that the NATO would back them up at least in military. They were wrong in both.


  • This is getting too close to political. Its turning into “why does America support this here and not this there” type of thing.

    try to save it please.

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