Germans in the Amazon

@captainjack:

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This “forced” Britian to develop a stronger navy (which was consolidated in SZ2) because they were anticipating a Sea Lion.
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… and moved my BB and Sub to SZ12 …
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The German navy ruled the Atlantic for the majority of the game
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I do not understand how the german navy can rule the atlantic and hold BRA for long.

The UK navy and air on second turn should at least 2 TRA, 1 BB, 2 FIG, 1BMR; eventually some more navy bought on turn 1, right? I guess the US navy bring all EUS ground units to UK, perhaps the BMR too?

UK can destroy BB/sub at SZ 12 on second turn, perhaps supported from an AC that US build at first turn to secure that fleet from german air attack, and fortify UK. After that turn the germans should have AC, DD, 2 sub and 2 TRA left in SZ5. Not a scary navy in my eyes, far away from ruling the atlantic.

And after that US can move two TRA and DD to SZ 18, perhaps supported by BMR, sunk that lonely german TRA and attack BRA with 2 INF, ART, ARM. Eventually bridge any survivors to africa on next turn.

Any suggests?

@Croggyl:

@captainjack:

[…]
This “forced” Britian to develop a stronger navy (which was consolidated in SZ2) because they were anticipating a Sea Lion.
[…]
… and moved my BB and Sub to SZ12 …
[…]
The German navy ruled the Atlantic for the majority of the game
[…]

I do not understand how the german navy can rule the atlantic and hold BRA for long.

The UK navy and air on second turn should at least 2 TRA, 1 BB, 2 FIG, 1BMR; eventually some more navy bought on turn 1, right? I guess the US navy bring all EUS ground units to UK, perhaps the BMR too?

UK can destroy BB/sub at SZ 12 on second turn, perhaps supported from an AC that US build at first turn to secure that fleet from german air attack, and fortify UK. After that turn the germans should have AC, DD, 2 sub and 2 TRA left in SZ5. Not a scary navy in my eyes, far away from ruling the atlantic.

And after that US can move two TRA and DD to SZ 18, perhaps supported by BMR, sunk that lonely german TRA and attack BRA with 2 INF, ART, ARM. Eventually bridge any survivors to africa on next turn.

Any suggests?

Wat he said.

(bing) applaws

@captainjack:

Sorry, I should have explained better… he used his transport(s), 2 Figs (from AC he bought on UK1), and BB for Amph. assault on W.Europe.  We traded WEu for most of the game - I would usually only stack a couple infantry there.  But this kept him from attacking my navy.  I was able to slowly pick off his US and UK navys because I would attack one round only and retreat ( I had 3 subs, a BB, 2 trns, AC, Figs, and 2 DD).  I’m not saying what he did, or what I did was correct - I’m just saying that it worked in this game.

Sounds like a funny game. :)

And I doesn’t want to critize you (sorry if it seems so, english is not my first language), I only want to see the counter options a little bit clearer.

And after your explanation I’m amazed a bit about that attack on WEU and run into a german counterattack with both fleet parts and german airforce and retreat of the unified fleet … ;)

In my final qualifying match for the DAAK World Cup Tournament, I just did a Nazi landing in Brazil of 1 INF, 1 ARM on G4…

Germany is collecting $50.  Japan has $38.  The US has been buying SUBs out the wazoo off California.  And Germany has a fleet that outclasses the Allies in the Atlantic.

BTW:  That Main Nazi Fleet is in SZ12 (3 TRN, 1 SUB, 1 DST, 2 AC, 4 FIG, 1 BB), and EUS has only an IC and AA at present…  UK4 is the next pending move.  UK fleet in SZ2 is blocked from a direct assault on the Germany fleet by 1 German Sub in SZ8.

Hitler LIKES Brazil…  :wink:

Just let me know who the DAAK champ is at the end.  So I can whup em.  8-)

@ncscswitch:

In my final qualifying match for the DAAK World Cup Tournament, I just did a Nazi landing in Brazil of 1 INF, 1 ARM on G4…

Germany is collecting $50.  Japan has $38.  The US has been buying SUBs out the wazoo off California.  And Germany has a fleet that outclasses the Allies in the Atlantic.

BTW:  That Main Nazi Fleet is in SZ12 (3 TRN, 1 SUB, 1 DST, 2 AC, 4 FIG, 1 BB), and EUS has only an IC and AA at present…  UK4 is the next pending move.  UK fleet in SZ2 is blocked from a direct assault on the Germany fleet by 1 German Sub in SZ8.

Sounds very interesting!
It is possible to take a look to the game progress somewhere? As well after the game is finished?

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@ncscswitch:

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Thanks! :)

That is something about novel plans in A&A.  Unless you’ve got some more seasoned opponents, these can surprise and sometimes overwhelm them.

Against experienced players, you wont have such a cake walk in the atlantic and would probably have russians knocking on the gates of moscow to foul these naval expansions plans of Dönitz.

However, it’s a lot of fun when you can pull it off  :)

Yeah, I’d be curious as to how the Russians opened.  I’d be real hesitant to implement a German naval plan if Russia took Wrus and Ukr fairly easily.

I tend to counter the German Naval buy with a heavy US air buy with the intention to sink the German Navy in rd 2 with UK/US if they unify in Sz 7.  I haven’t encountered it in a while but it is solid for a Ger AC + 1 trn buy, I’d have to look at it again for AC + multiple trns.  Any unification or move without an AC is asking for trouble in Rd 2.

Oh yeah, as UK I’ll buy DD, sub, ftr with US reinforcing London to prevent Sea Lion, with I think the Russian Sub block to prevent the BB-shot and Med trn from hitting London.

@axis_roll:

That is something about novel plans in A&A.  Unless you’ve got some more seasoned opponents, these can surprise and sometimes overwhelm them.

Against experienced players, you wont have such a cake walk in the atlantic and would probably have russians knocking on the gates of moscow to foul these naval expansions plans of Dönitz.

That’s what I regret sometimes.
When you play an experienced player you can try out new things which are perhaps a bit foolish (like purchasing a IC for france and a CV at GER1, followed by atlantic navy), but you will not win that game because that player will demonstrate your weak points very fast. ;)

@captainjack:

I agree with you that there are definately some foolish moves, however, I’m not sure that a German C/V is necessarily one of them (as long as it fits it with the overall Axis strategy).

But combined with an IC in WEU on GER1 it seems a little bit foolish … :)

IC in India may fall in Japanese hands if it is not backed up by an Allied Pacific strategy, at least an SJF. If UK place IC in India and goes after Germany it will have less IPCs to spend in UK, this means less quantity and less quality in the UK forces that face Germany.

The same reasoning applies to German CV. Building German CV means less ground units to press on Russia.

I think the better move to avoid India IC is to build all ground units with Germany and increase the pressure on Russia. If UK builds the IC in India then Russia will receive less help from the British.