Absolutely, the abilities work while you are in a Jeep or other transport. Think of a Capt pulling up in a Jeep and barking orders, etc. Jut like the movies ;)
Sure I can imaging a General barking orders from the back of a jeep, standing up and pointing out targets for the rest of the troops… just like Patton.
I can also imagine a sniper shooting that dude in the head, and him flipping backwards out of the jeep, dead. You cant have it both ways. If a unit can’t be targetted while in a vehicle (cowering inside a tank?, on the back of a jeep?), then how can it be using its abilities like pointing out targets or shaking his fist in an intimidating manner? Im allright with allowing a unit to have its ability, as long as it can also get targetted. Im also allright with a unit being nontargettable inside a vehicle, as long as its suitably cowering, and not doing anything else, like enforcing bravery, or improving accuracy.
Isnt that sort of what happened to that former prime minister from Pakistan? She was all sorts of protected inside her bomb proof car, but when she stood up out of the sunroof to “inspire” her supporters, suddenly she was targettable.
thoughts?
whats the official ruling?
It’s just a game. Don’t try to take it too literally!
By the rules, the effect works whether the Commander is in or not in a Jeep, etc.
Absolutely, the abilities work while you are in a Jeep or other transport. Think of a Capt pulling up in a Jeep and barking orders, etc. Jut like the movies ;)
Sure I can imaging a General barking orders from the back of a jeep, standing up and pointing out targets for the rest of the troops… just like Patton.
I can also imagine a sniper shooting that dude in the head, and him flipping backwards out of the jeep, dead. You cant have it both ways. If a unit can’t be targetted while in a vehicle (cowering inside a tank?, on the back of a jeep?), then how can it be using its abilities like pointing out targets or shaking his fist in an intimidating manner? Im allright with allowing a unit to have its ability, as long as it can also get targetted. Im also allright with a unit being nontargettable inside a vehicle, as long as its suitably cowering, and not doing anything else, like enforcing bravery, or improving accuracy.
Isnt that sort of what happened to that former prime minister from Pakistan? She was all sorts of protected inside her bomb proof car, but when she stood up out of the sunroof to “inspire” her supporters, suddenly she was targettable.
thoughts?
whats the official ruling?
You do realize the defence rating of a jeep is a 1 and it’s easier to kill a jeep with its rider than it is to kill the rider… right…
You do realize the defence rating of a jeep is a 1 and it’s easier to kill a jeep with its rider than it is to kill the rider… right…
oh absolutely, but if you put that commander in a king tiger or a crocodile instead of a jeep, it becomes a completely different scenario. I just used the jeep as an example.
Im also guessing that other issues can come up too
for example, if one says that special abilities, like improved accuracy, pinpointer, or intimidation work while a UNIT is transported,
then how about an ability like
demolition (not that anyone uses obstacles, but if they did…!)
headshot (the wording says "instead of attacking a vehicle, roll 6 dice instead… is it an attack or an ability? probably an attack but it says “instead of an attack…”)
indirect or improved indirect fire and spotter (carry around a spotter in a jeep?)
chatting on the radio (is the soldier considered moving if the transport he is in moves, but he is just carried?)
Bravery reinforcement (can a unit attack its OWN soldiers from inside a tank?)
you can make a logical arguement for all these to work in the real world, but it is a straight rule that ALL abilities work while transported, or NO abilities work while being transported? or are there exceptions? All I see in the rules is that the initiative bonus does work while transported… or awaiting paradrop. I also see that units being transported can’t attack. But I see nothing about abilities.
oh absolutely, but if you put that commander in a king tiger or a crocodile instead of a jeep, it becomes a completely different scenario. I just used the jeep as an example.
That would be unusual, because King Tigers and Crocodiles can’t transport…
you can make a logical arguement for all these to work in the real world, but it is a straight rule that ALL abilities work while transported, or NO abilities work while being transported? or are there exceptions? All I see in the rules is that the initiative bonus does work while transported… or awaiting paradrop. I also see that units being transported can’t attack. But I see nothing about abilities.
The key here is you can’t directly atack a unit that is being transported. You have to attack the vehicle the unit is in. In most cases that’s easier than attacking the unit it’s self.
And the simple answer is yes, abilities work while being transported.
I’m trying to figure out if you are questioning how realistic the commander affect working while transported is, or if you are questioning if it is legal in the rules.
If it is the later, it is most definately legal.
First off, take the rules literally. If it say “All adjacent friendly units get X bonus”, then they all adjacent units get X bonus. Period, end of sentence.
Only if there is another rule that explicitly limts that first rule does it get negated.
If the rules (all rules, everywhere, for evey game) didn’t work this way then all rule books would be 1000 pages long trying to cover every possible permutation. Rules should be taken as literally as possible.
Secondly, here’s the official answer to your question:
http://boards.avalonhill.com/showthread.php?t=8447
Mot
oh absolutely, but if you put that commander in a king tiger or a crocodile instead of a jeep, it becomes a completely different scenario. I just used the jeep as an example.
That would be unusual, because King Tigers and Crocodiles can’t transport…
oops, I meant like a KV 1 or Easy Eight
I’m trying to figure out if you are questioning how realistic the commander affect working while transported is, or if you are questioning if it is legal in the rules.
well, most importantly was what is the “legal” ruling. Im playing games and want to know what to expect. I know its just a game, and not all rules can be absolutely realistic. I just want to know the correct way to play, and to not be surprised later on by a ruling.
how bout the other situations? do they work while transported?
demolition (I would assume yes)
indirect or improved indirect fire and spotter (carry around a spotter in a jeep?) I would assume yes
chatting on the radio (is the soldier considered moving if the transport he is in moves, but he is just carried?) I assume he CANT be transported during assault
Bravery reinforcement (can a unit attack its OWN soldiers from inside a tank?) I have NO IDEA!
Headshot (I would assume no)
how bout the other situations? do they work while transported?
In the absence of any explicit rule to the contrary (and I know of none and I’m pretty a-nal about these things), the answer to all is Yes.
head shot???
also thought of a GREAT idea for mapview
how bout a 1 hex long FLAME!
you know, FOR FLAMETHROWERS!
how cool would that be?
and for the love of god, BARB WIRE! and other such traps.
I totally want to barbwire everything!
oh absolutely, but if you put that commander in a king tiger or a crocodile instead of a jeep, it becomes a completely different scenario. I just used the jeep as an example.
That would be unusual, because King Tigers and Crocodiles can’t transport…
oops, I meant like a KV 1 or Easy Eight
LOL what kind of crazy would put a Cossack Commander… ah… I mean a leader… in a KV1 :evil: :evil: :evil:
and for the love of god, BARB WIRE! and other such traps.
I totally want to barbwire everything!
Yes, I think the obstacles would be a great addition.
head shot???
I’ve done that ebfore…put a German Sniper in a half-track and you have a very mobile, very dangerous unit. No hiding from him!
Of course, its also very fragile :-(
so that brings up the next question
can a sniper shoot from a halftrack (head shot) and then the half track move away the same turn…
i think vague, simplistic rules are being taken advantage of…
im trying to figure out how hordelings works, so I can figure out what some other abilities are
how do I search for a unit in hordelings?
I can not, for the life of me, figure it out.
I try to search using unit search “name containts” ….
and i get nothing, no matter what I put in
this site is bizarre
is there any other site that I can use to figure out what abilities do? I mean the abilities that are NOT included on Hill 107 (which is a very easy site to use, btw)
specifically, i have a ranger in my army, and I dont know what “lead the way” does
Hordlings is arainged by “set”
Hold he cursor over the games pull down
Then the Axis and allies mini’s pull down
then the Sets pull down then you will see the different sets.
You need to know whitch set the unit you are looking for is in, the Wizards data base will tell you that.
Ranger is in the resurves set so you scroll down to #21Ranger and click the link:
http://www.hordelings.com/frontend/games/item.php?collectable_item_id=1819
There seems to be an error for that particular unit however it doesn’t list the “lead the way” abillity
It’s a complicated system but it’s realy all there is on the net. I do seem to remember someone listing all the abilities on an xl sheet somewhere, that would be a good thing to post here somewhere.
does anyone know what “lead the way” means?
so that brings up the next question
can a sniper shoot from a halftrack (head shot) and then the half track move away the same turn…i think vague, simplistic rules are being taken advantage of…
A unit can only use the fighting platform if that vehicle does not move during assault phase.
If unit attacks that vehicle with fighting platform must stay put.
so that brings up the next question
can a sniper shoot from a halftrack (head shot) and then the half track move away the same turn…i think vague, simplistic rules are being taken advantage of…
No. “Fighting Platform” states that the vehicle cannot move if the unit aboard attacks.
I think there aren’t as many big holes in the rules as it might seems. Of course, the fun is taking advantage of the small ones :evil:
I’ll agree will some of the holes.
Cossack Captain on the KV1 is a cheap tactic. While mounted on or in vehicles the Blast ability can kill.
I think snipers should be able to target infantry on tanks with transport abilities but not in transports vehicles. I think these two things should be treated differently
Well I must say I have to 100% agree with you here on that. :x
