Is Genetically Engineering Your Children Ethical?

IL beat me to it. One thing would lead to another with this. Where would we draw the line?

When I saw the topic title, my first thought was, “You kinda do that already…” :-D

I think the question is Are a creation of your body, which also happen to be a separate life, a work of art, and if so who is the artist, or a scientific anomaly?

If it is a work of art, then technically modifying it would be up to the creator. If we remove God out for a second, then I really don’t have a problem with you modifying your child. Now if you purposefully wreck them up out of some sadistic spite, I think you need your head checked and maybe you should.

If it is a scientific anomaly then I think that genetic engineering should be left out of the real world and kept in the lab, until it is necessary to sustain a life. And the real thing to ask is, is it a necessary empirical application, needed to keep our culture sustained or a selfish intervention on what is supposed to be entropic and organic?

GG

the same way you can argue that your kids will not be dwarfs, or they will not be female. if you can start changing some things, then you can start changing other more drastic things. look at China, under there law you can only have 1 kid or pay a fine. by culture they want boys, so with this technolagy and culture you now are creating a culture of where they start exterminating there female population.
this same princable can apply to a dictatership where they can force all citizens to undergo this prossess and have only females be produced in all but there chosen few who can have males making a eliet group who can have males and all the rest who have females.
this could even go so far as to have it be a chemical put in water to do this.

on the dwarfs (little people) or other genetic adnormalities you creat a tolarance problem. eventually you will have the rich being the ones that can afford this and then those who can’t are stuck with the inperfect children and sociaty will change to reflect this. watch the movie Gatica (i think thats it’s name), where they talk about this vary issue. a kid wants to be an astronaut but due to this technolagy he can’t because he was not enganiered from birth.

the problem is that it promotes discrimination based on things you can now alter. would it not be the same as some one who is dark skinned to marry a light skinned person and then have the genes altered in there children to make them all light skinned?
would this also not promot in the long run exactly what Hittler was trying for with his Airian Race of all blue eyed/blond haired race of athaliets that are smart.
the problem is that this starts creating the domino or cascade effect of the alterations becomeing so main stream that diversity is lost.

How is it a slippery slope for two parents to dictate their child will have blue eyes instead of green?  Or that their child will not have ADHD?

What will happen is given the modern realities of good looks gets a better start in life, I suspect most Anglos will pick Blue eyes and blond hair and tall, while the short dark skinned types with brown eyes would go extinct. I can get into specifics but i would get in trouble. So everyone will come out looking like tom cruise and nobody will ever look like Caesar Chavez. The differences would become acute and beauty and ugly will lead to greater stereotypes and eventually nations of the latter will be viewed as savages and war will result. The homogeneous mixing of all racial types is the only REAL thing thats breaking down these barriers because everybody is basically is getting mixed from something else.

so given your point Green and blue will become exclusive choices and brown and black will go extinct.

In the Pure breed dog/horse world it would be akin to all dogs being muts, thus losing the moniker “pure breed”

the end dose not always justify the means.
if to get this utopia where we are all the same means generations of exsesive discrimination to weed out the trates that are not desireable then we are going down the wrong path. the change won’t happen over night and that means it will take generations at best to make the change over. so then we hyper agrovate descrimination.
as for the blue eyes and blond hair being less common, that is because they are resesive genetic traits. i remember this from biolagy class. you as a person have 2 trates for eye color. say you have blue yes so your trates read BlBl (Blue Blue). you marry a person with trates BBl (Brown Blue). now you will have children. if you have 4 (statisticly the best number for this example) you will have 2 children with BBl and 2 with BlBl; or 2 brown eyes and 2 blue eyes.
now say both parents are BBl, then with 4 children they will have 1 BB, 2 BBl, and 1 BlBl. so 3 brown eyes and 1 blue eyes.
the same holds true to hair and other traits. so the reason that blue eyes are so uncommon (even with them being primarally Europen traits) is that they are resesive traits, not that they are less desired.

oh ya, also by doing this you can posibly eradicate a gene that we don’t know that we need in our sociaty, this could caus prboblems down the road that can not be for sceen.

Basically the poor people will have have the opportunity to have children of the type they wish and the poor will not. Eventually all the Lessor people ( less popular) will get weeded out, Indians, Eskimos,Pacific Islanders, Latins, Blacks, Some Asians, anybody with different skin, curly hair, dark eyes, all gone in 200 years. 2 billion Tom Cruise look alikes, and 2 billion stupid Paris Hilton’s all trying to get their own TV show. I think the world has enough problems.

I personally don’t have a problem with this but id rather get a few brilliant people to carry us in the future than billions of actors.

As for “weeding out” traits that the general world population finds unattractive, how is that any different then choosing your spouse?

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In the real world people settle for less than their “dream” no matter how many times they protest to the contrary. The choice was made in many cases to include among other things that other persons soul,spirit, and brain and not only the looks. So this ‘choosing the mate’ includes checks and balances. This is removed by the 4 billion Tom Cruises/Paris Hiltons that will soon appear replacing all the others. So now you have reduced the human race to a few personality traits, mental aptitudes, and the brilliant people will disappear leaving a canvas of robots to push humanity forward.

The only tangible benefit will be clothing factories will only have to turn out fewer sized clothing and choices.

Of course better looking people usually hook up with like kinds. Now the problem occurs when the choices are reduced by 2 century’s of people picking from an increasing smaller pool of choices. All the special traits will be lost. Just like when all the animals go extinct. Will these then be placed in human zoos to “protect” them from total extinction. Look ahead. thats  what will happen much latter.

Could make for good science fiction.  They had a twilight zone episode on this.

No, genetic engineering is terrible.  I would get into details, but every  point I could argue has been said by Imperious Leader, even with the twilight zone point.  One of the many great episodes to deal with themes of beatuy/perfection/genetic engineering pointed out that in order for there to be beauty, there must also be ugly (or rather, atypical beauty, however you want to look at it :wink: ).

Also, imagine a person having to deal with the fact that theyre not good at basketball because they practiced, but because theyre parents wanted them to be?  Would they even feel joy over doing good in a game?  Could they understand their teammates emotions and feeling of accomplishment?

We all know parents who try to live through their children (e.g, sports). do we reallly want to give those kinds of parents power to gentically tailor their kids?

Thats a good point. The notion of beauty will change as more and more Tom Cruises appear. Then a new paradigm of this beauty will arise, but then all the traits will be weeded out after centuries never to return, then real problems will surface. It will turn into Gattaca where the slightest imperfection leads to personal ruin and loss of happiness. It would be a terrible world indeed. Id rather have ugly people to make fun of. Heck… all the stereotypes would be lost which is 95% of comedy.

Yeah, I want some engineered kids, but I don’t want anyone else getting them.  I wand a Bret Favre, a Kathy Ireland (with slightly bigger hips for making my grand kids) an I want one with a huge head and tiny feet, for comedic relief.  Yeah that’d be great.

Oh thats another thing I forgot to mention, would some sicko engineer their kid to be really ugly?

Or like have a third arm or something?

Three arms could be usefull, I sometimes wish I had a couple extra arms or eyes…

you allow even tweaking and some one in 20 years will want to add in the gens from some one else to get even better results. when ever you give some, then some one takes more.

by also getting rid of desiese we could also get rid of cures for other things or even eliminate gens that we don’t know what they do.
who is to say that dislexia (sp) crossed with Audtisam (sp) don’t creat some benafit? both alone are undesireable trates but together they may be what gives us geniouses or some other desireable trait.
by eliminating trates you destroy the chance of things happening that you don’t know about.