Solution to the LL vs ADS Debate

@mozkaynak:

So, My understanding is that  fighters and bombers can attack submarine by themselves and submarine can not fire back.
Please confirm that.

Correct.

@mozkaynak:

So how does submerging work here?

Subs may submerge at the end of any round of combat if there are no opposing destroyers in the battle at that point (as long as the battle is not over).  They have no effect on other units while submerged, and are ignored.  They resurface at the end of the noncombat movement phase, having no effect on enemy units in the sea zone at that point.

It’s a good strategy.  The main benefit is it prevents the Allies from landing Algeria on Turn 1-2.  Another thing to like about it is you’re credibly harassing the Allies without losing any IPCs on naval units.

I’d probably attack the fleet with the RAF and probably also with the BS and trannies (which I’ll retreat to 8).  If Germany submerges, I take a shot with the American bomber.  So odds are there’s only 1-3 subs left over to go to the Med.  Meanwhile the combined fleet is in 8 (UK buys an AC and a fighter), and I put my Russian sub in 12.

At that point, if Germany moves to the Med I can go to Norway with the combined fleet, while the United States builds up air power to knock out the Med fleet.  If the Med fleet moves to Egypt or the Black sea I can land Algeria, which signals the beginning of the end for the Med fleet unless Germany invests in an AC.

Possibly the better move for Germany if 2-3 subs survive in SZ7 is to attack the combined fleet in sz 8 with 5 figs, 2 bombs, and 2-3 subs.  However, this is a good battle for the Allies unless Germany has 3 subs.  Nonetheless if Germany has 2 subs it might still be Germany’s best option to attack and hope for good dice.

I think this opening has enormous chances of success against non-experts.  Against experts I’d prefer to go to Egypt strong and get 5 infantry instead of a bomber.

@HolKann:

Hmm, oh well, allright. It’s not LL, but it’s no big deal either.

Yea, but you said you don’t normally use tech and I said I don’t normally use tech, so odds are, neither of us will need it and if we do, it’s for the coups de’gras and ending the game.

If you wanna play at DAAK instead, set up a game.  It’s been like 7 years since I played (okay, that’s an exaggeration, but it’s been a long time; I’ve enlisted, gone through training, gone to Iraq, been blown up, gone through a medical discharge, and completed half a second degree and half a master’s degree since) at DAAK so just give me a run down on how it works.

Otherwise, set up a thread in the “Play Games” section here.

BTW, my User ID at DAAK is Jennifer. (Same as Flames of Europe and AAMC, btw.)

ugh……tolerance camp.

some people are just intolerant of others wishing to not tolerate something they perceive as wrong or bad.

PC is mind slavery.  “NO! you cant think or say that!”  “Punish them!”

even though i agree nazi’s were just a sect of germans.  not all of them.

I’m teaching my cousin how to play I was the Axis b/c he was born in England and moved to Canada so he was die hard about having the UK any way I gave him a bid last time b/c he got wasted the time before I gave him 15 IPC’s to use for any allied country. I wasn’t worried b/c I thought he would buy a US Pacific Navy. Instead he bought 5 INF and put them in Moscow. Needless to say that slowed down the Axis advance early on.

I like your idea about mixing it up. Keeps them on there toes. he he

-LT04

@Cmdr:

Appears to be working, though, the unit I am running on ATM is perma-connected to the net so it might be drawing off the net…doubt it.  :)

Thanks, Dan

Nope, there’s no way that’s drawing off the net. That would take a whole lot of programming that I simply haven’t done.

@Craig:

c) Naval units can be placed with other naval units or in territories adjacent to a power’s land

This would create some interesting bids… in games where the bid was high enough
(but with the auction bid system, I doubt there are many bids of + or - 8 or more to allow naval units)

Bah, I’ve seen 1 inf destroy 9 inf and a tank.  (Guy kept saying “he’ll eventually die!”)