Rules clarification

@Motdc:

With these new rules, you cannot start the game with your 88 or Bofors loaded on a transport, move to a drop location on turn 1, and dismount it.

How is that not broken!?

Agreed, this needs to be fixed.

I’m thinking they are opening pandoras box.

Yes, you used to be able to bump an isolated infantry every now and then, but it was easy to fugure out.

If you wait until the end of the turn it will a nightmare to manage.

As you said, you move 2 Inf into a hax that already conatins two inf.  The two original Inf now try charge forward in an MG and get disrupted so they cannot move.  But its the end of the turn and you’ve moved a dozen units.  Now what, you have to “unmove” the first two Inf that you moved to fix the overstack, hoping you remember which hexes they came from?

It gets insanely worse with vehicles.

No, that will break the game.  They’ve done some odd things in the past, but this will break the game.

I have to beileve that the rule will be different than we are guessing.  Something like, any unit that is overstacked cannot Attack.  So you can overstack all you want, but if you dont resolve it by the end of the turn then that unit is pretty much a hood ornament.  Or something equally different.

Thanks for the heads up, we’ll all have to keep our eyes peeled.

Only in the starters or here:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/aam/waratsea

Well at the bottom is a link to the pdfs.  :-)

1. On stacking limits in a two player game you’re correct - 4 Units total. Only 2 units per player, and only 1 of the 4 can be a vehicle (whether it’s a Jeep or a King Tiger doesn’t matter). However in multiplayer games it may work a bit differently.

2. Units never block line of sight.

3. Hills are basically no different from forests - they don’t give you any extra vision on their own (though some units can benefit from them because of SAs, like the Nashorn); the only difference is vehicles have to make a movement roll into the forest. That’s it. AH/WotC kept the rules fairly simple so no extra LOS mechanics.

4. You can move into a hex with an enemy unit, but doing so provokes defencive fire, as GrimJesta states. However remember disrupted units can’t defencive fire either. Defencive Fire is provoked if a unit moves from an adjacent hex to another adjacent hex (note moving out of an adjacent hex does not provoke defencive fire). The defencive firing unit can decide which hex to make the attack in. Roll the attack normally, but if you would score 1+ hits you simply cause an immediate disruption instead, causing the provoking unit to stop in that hex and end its movement.  If the hex the provoking unit is being attacked in provides cover, then the unit rolls; if successful then the provoking unit isn’t disrupted and continues on. Each unit can make one defencive fire attack per phase, so a standard tactic is to move in first with a less threatening unit to draw fire.

5. You can’t die from defencive fire unless it was caused by a flamethrower; the three 6’s effect still applies. Except for units which are immediately destroyed (death by flamethrower, or a Carro Armato going up) the effects of damaged/destroyed/etc aren’t applied until the casualty phase after both players have made their attacks.

Excellent question.  I do not have any historical evidence of widespread tank vs. tank ramming, and I don’t really expect that it went on.  I included the rule more for sake of gameplay with non-armored vehicles (jeeps, halftracks, etc.) The rule represents a sort of last ditch option available to a player with nothing left but jeeps who is trying to face down a tank.  I’ve people ask to be able to ram on a number of occasions, so I decided to come up with a rule for it.  The attack itself is pretty anemic (need 6’s to hit) so I can’t think of why a tank would ever choose to ram another vehicle instead of using it’s short/medium range armor attack roll instead.  Now a jeep, on the other hand, really wouldn’t have any other attack against a light tank.  With the ram you might be able to damage a tank, but you are certainly going to destroy your jeep trying.  Let me know if you end up using the rule and if it works for you or not.

Over in the Rules Discussion of the Avalon Hill message boards, there’s that project called the “Historical House Rules [HHR]”, and it’s an attept to make the rule-cards more realistic and balanced for quite a few units (others were left alone). Has anyone tried using these? We gave them a spin the other night and they seem alot more realistic and had their actual historical capaicity on the battlefield. My only gripe is that the cards are in the A&AM colors, which means they’ll kill your printer if you want to print 'em up.

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