Crazy George!

Oh,come on. There is no way you can restrict Germany to 37 IPC’s in a KJF. With the UK not retaking Egypt Germany is going to be up 2 IPC’s on G1 and probably around 45 or 46 by G2. And if you’re not going to build a CV with the UK and wait until UK4 until the Indian Ocean CV arrives, Germany can chase your Atlantic UK fleet all the way back to sz10 using just a CV purchase to go with the Baltic fleet and a few aircraft in Western. And since Germany won’t be transporting units to Africa they can add the Med fleet as well. Once their back door is safe from the UK, Germany can leave Western empty and focus all 45+ IPC’s every turn at Russia.

And I have no problem playing a League game to prove my point. Ask EM and Gamer how good my anti-KJF game is. Give me a 6 bid :-o  8-) and you’re on. You can hamstring Japan all you want, but you have to be fast because Germany head to head with Russia for too long is a bad idea.

@Cmdr:

Germany - Norway - Algeria - Libya = 37 IPC.  And I’m being nice and assuming they are getting Karelia, that is by no means guarenteed.

As I said, it’s not 100% total asset devotion to KJF.  It’s more like 25% UK assets, 0 % Russian assets 80% American assets.  That’s more then Japan makes and boats are pretty darn expensive.

However, I’d never play a KJF if the opponent KNEW it was KJF before the game started.  Germany can alter all their moves for optimal in a KJF on G1 however, those same moves in a KGF are suicide.

Not to mention Japan’s purchases in a KJF vs SJF vs Normal games are COMPLETELY different.

KJF starts on USA 1.  SJF starts on UK 1.

How’s this:

G1=42  (Up Karelia, Egypt/Down WR)

G2=45  (Up Karelia, Egypt, T-J(Med TP), Bcng+IEA(Egy arm blitz)/Down WR) And go ahead and take Norway on UK1 if you dare. My subs and aircraft will enjoy the target practice and my recon planes will take pictures of your capsized battleship and burning TP’s for recorded historical purposes.

And it seems to me ANY German move is optimized against a KJF.

Also 25% UK investment is a low estimate. The IC on UK1 is 50% of their assets and with the UK earning somewhere in the neighborhood of $25 or less because of Germany unopposed in Africa you’re looking at about 40% investment assuming 9 IPC’s for 3 inf at the IC every turn.

@Cmdr:

However, I’d never play a KJF if the opponent KNEW it was KJF before the game started.

Nice job of backpedaling. I’m taking a low bid that only a few players would dare try AND I’m probably the most predictable Axis player here. But since you are concerned with me knowing your strategy, I’ll tell you mine:

With the bid I will be placing 1 art in Lib and 2 IPC’s to Japan.

With Germany I will build 1 CV in sz5, 8 inf if Russia attacks Ukraine/WR, and 1 CV/TP in sz14, 4 inf, 1 art if Russia attacks Belo/WR or WR only unless Russia has amazingly good results in which case I will go with my first option.

With Japan I will build 4 TP. No exceptions.

My attacks are dependent on what you kill or leave exposed and where, but I’m likely to attack at least China and sz52 with Japan and Germany’s attacks are pretty cut and dried. Note: the Med BB/TP goes to sz13 and I only attack Egypt with aircraft support.

There. Now I know what your first turn moves are and you know mine. Plus, I’m taking a low bid and you know ALL of my builds where, aside from the UK/US IC’s, I have no clue as to what else you will be building. Can’t get much better than that. And if you are concerned with taking a hit on your League record then we can play a non-League game and even Low Luck if you want to minimize some of the dice swings. I only wanted to keep myself limited to 2 games at one time but, in this case, I will make an exception.

Don’t worry, U-505 - it’s a pretty safe bet that you are going to have UNGODLY dice and that the game will turn out not to have been a good one to test whatever this thread is about. At least according to Jennifer.

That’s true. I do have a rep for being lucky with the bones.  :-D

@U-505:

That’s true. I do have a rep for being lucky with the bones.  :-D

Just a bit :-P

Nice job of backpedaling. I’m taking a low bid that only a few players would dare try AND I’m probably the most predictable Axis player here. But since you are concerned with me knowing your strategy, I’ll tell you mine:

I quote directly from U-505, the answer is already contained here. He told you his strategy which isn’t even specifically geared to undo KJF, so you should be on even terms O_O

OK. This is getting old. You keep making baseless assuptions about stuff without detailing how they come about. Please explain how the UK is taking the East Indies and the Philippines without getting smashed by a Japanese fleet that is 3 times larger than the one UK has in the area.

Let me explain my Views on the FIC attack, since i was the one who primarilly used it on these boards (i believe)

Attacking FIC should be done with these things in Mind:

Russia did Hit westrussia and belorussia (no ukraine).

Russia moved 6 inf to Buryatia
2 Arm to Yakut

Russia bought 3 inf, 3 arms.

Assembled everything else in Westrussia, and moved novo evenki inf to russia, kazhak inf to Cauccasus.

Builds 3 inf in Cauccasus.

Yes Germany can now take cauccasus for 1 round, but it costs.

UK builds 1 IC (maybe 1 fig, 1 arm to i don´t know.) and attacks the usual targets:

ex: SZ59 (ac, dest)
Sub to SZ45.

Trn of australia stays put (maybe pulling 1 inf from new zeeland to australia.

UK landing in Algeria along with reinforcements from USA

UK airforce will attack SZ5 withdraw when trn is dead.

If FIC is cleared from land units IC is placed in India, otherwise it´s placed in Australia.

If IC is in India USA builds IC in Sinkiang (witch gets 3 arm reinforcements if needed, (5 if japan kills buryatia)

If japan does not kill Buryatia then 6 inf9+ arm will go into manchuria (be renforced possiably by 1 UK fig if it lived thrue uk1)

This will seriously harm japans offense.

Personally i belive an unrestricted Japan is more dangerous then unrestricted Germany.

@Nix:

Let me explain my Views on the FIC attack, since i was the one who primarilly used it on these boards (i believe)

Attacking FIC should be done with these things in Mind:

Russia did Hit westrussia and belorussia (no ukraine).
Russia moved 6 inf to Buryatia
2 Arm to Yakut
Russia bought 3 inf, 3 arms.
Assembled everything else in Westrussia, and moved novo evenki inf to russia, kazhak inf to Cauccasus.
Builds 3 inf in Cauccasus.

Yes Germany can now take cauccasus for 1 round, but it costs.

UK builds 1 IC (maybe 1 fig, 1 arm to i don´t know.) and attacks the usual targets:
ex: SZ59 (ac, dest)
Sub to SZ45.
Trn of australia stays put (maybe pulling 1 inf from new zeeland to australia.
UK landing in Algeria along with reinforcements from USA
UK airforce will attack SZ5 withdraw when trn is dead.

If FIC is cleared from land units IC is placed in India, otherwise it´s placed in Australia.
If IC is in India USA builds IC in Sinkiang (witch gets 3 arm reinforcements if needed, (5 if japan kills buryatia)
If japan does not kill Buryatia then 6 inf9+ arm will go into manchuria (be renforced possiably by 1 UK fig if it lived thrue uk1)

This will seriously harm japans offense.
Personally i belive an unrestricted Japan is more dangerous then unrestricted Germany.

HELLO KJF!

A good axis counter would be to take caucasus and land the Ukraine ftr from that battle in FIC to support japan since you are obviously set up to go after Japan.

Sure you can, that only means germany is down 1 Fighter for 1 round, and UK does something else, and Russia can still withdraw all forces (exception might be buryatia inf).

So it´s not really that “strange”.  Your not fully committed until after uk1.

And to add, all my games basically where im allies starts with basically the same russian 1.

But i don´t always attack japan anyway.

@Nix:

Sure you can, that only means germany is down 1 Fighter for 1 round, and UK does something else, and Russia can still withdraw all forces (exception might be buryatia inf).

So it´s not really that “strange”.  Your not fully committed until after uk1.

I never implied it was strange, I said it smacked of KJF.

Most of the time, Germany is down 1 ftr right from the get go (Ukraine attack) so it wouldn’t be missed.

@Cmdr:

And, for the record, I don’t do the Ukraine attack with Russia anymore.  Too risky.  I’m throwing away 3 tanks, 1 artillery and 3 infantry to get 3 infantry, 1 armor, 1 fighter and 1 artillery.  28 IPC from Russia and 75% of their starting tanks for 28 IPC from Germany and 1 of their 6 fighters.  That battle can go horribly wrong (and for me usually does) resulting in maybe not taking it or only having 1 tank left to defend.  Though I’ve seen it go horribly wrong for Germany, is that really a risk Russia wants to take on in the first round of the game?

Safer is attacking Belorussia and W. Russia.  Serves the same purpose of knocking down the German war machine, if it goes bad for Russia, Russia’s only out some infantry, not tanks!

For once we agree!

@Cmdr:

@U-505:

OK. This is getting old. You keep making baseless assuptions about stuff without detailing how they come about. Please explain how the UK is taking the East Indies and the Philippines without getting smashed by a Japanese fleet that is 3 times larger than the one UK has in the area.

Borneo falls on UK 1 or UK 3 depending on which flavor of KJF you go for.

Japan ignores the British fleet because the Americans are being a pest.  It’s either attack England or attack America and America’s the one building more fleet every round out numbering you.

If Borneo falls on UK 3, then E. Indies falls on UK 2 and Philippines on UK 4.

Don’t see it happening. Nope, nope, nope. Japan has more than enough fleet to chase the UK out of the Pacific for many turns. And if UK takes Borneo on UK1, they will have nothing left after Japan stomps them on J1.

For the record, if the UK tries to preserve their fleet on UK1, I’m not going to extend Japan’s fleet beyond my abilities to defend against a backdoor attack by them. You might get one of those islands, but you aren’t going to get all of them. The japanese can position their fleet to cover those islands and still keep an eye on the US. As long as the US can’t overwhelm the Japanese navy, putting the Japanese fleet in sz50 will cover all of their islands and keep the US from advancing until they have a much larger fleet than they start with.