Oh, you continued working on it.
The more you work on this file the more you don’t want to go back. :wink:
Please. Hold on.
We should have the base file sorted out first.
That file is not suitable.
It has no layers.
And Europe is too small.
Europe needs to be big enough at 70x33", not 96x48". Right?
96x48" is huge even compared to The War Game.
I only fixed the sea zones and added some text. That can easily be changed.
Its not possible to have a realistic map ans also to have a huge Europe map. The only thing you can do is make minor tweeks ans reduce North and South America. If you do more than that it looks like the map we already have ( AARHE 1939)
I suppose i can work on that map and redraw South America and or Middle east, but its not the purpose of this new directive which is namely to make a realistic map.
here is the set up file to work from for 1939 AARHE
http://www.mediafire.com/?fmxndxjvt0u
http://www.mediafire.com/upload_complete.php?id=z4aismgjqyt
also here is the set up file.
http://www.mediafire.com/?bmzlyvw37yz
http://www.mediafire.com/upload_complete.php?id=iym5wbmjzx9
I think you will need to add some text thats similar in each case to what we have under the PDF’s that are still around.
Id also add the starting IPC values along with the name of the nation is some nice script ( font)
ok so we are going for realistic map
in that case we better keep supporting the current “roomy” versions then
I have a new candidate base file
*bigger Europe, no Africa/Middle East distorting
*preserved layers from the original map (so you can toggle modern world borders and have your shoreline art)
*also slightly enlarged UK and Japan
largest measure of Western Europe to Ukraine
your edit is 13.46" (34.2cm) @ 96"x48"
ie. 24.9cm @ 70"
this edit is 27.3cm @ 1782cmx840cm (70"x33")
ie. 37.4cm @ 96"
if its good then I add back in the better Islands, AARHE icons, layers, and stuff
and we have a base file done
then you go do the 1939 map and I go do the standard map
http://www.mediafire.com/?4jclealmz1m
here is the set up file to work from for 1939 AARHE
http://www.mediafire.com/?fmxndxjvt0u
http://www.mediafire.com/upload_complete.php?id=z4aismgjqyt
also here is the set up file.
Er, thats your edit of my “real map” and the empty 1939 table.
I was asking for latest 1939 map for me to do the 1939 setup file.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ctjmmsb1wmm
this is the 1939 map with icons. You have the basic set up sheets. compare and type the info in them.
I loaded up your file. If useless South America is disjointed and moved to the left side of the map you clear alot more space to stretch Europe both west and south and enlarge Europe further.
This will involve removing some central American nations because they are the thing that extends S. America toward Africa.
That large ocean on the west of S America is totally useless and it should be allocated to Europe.
Work on this a but more , then we add the other things. I can import the lines and stuff from the other map so my work is not lost at all.
The pacific looks good.
I haven’t disjoint North America and South America yet because I thought then we would need to specific that they are connected
what do you think?
another thing is that I was thinking for the 1939 map we should remove the unrealistic connection between America and Panama from OOB
stretching Europe (without the banned ugly Africa/Middle East distortion) means it is done to Euro-Asia-Africa as a whole
we can get a little more space but it won’t be signficant, we definitely won’t reach 30cm
(since I had to distort Africa to get to that 30cm version,
though I haven’t as agressive shrunk Soviet Far East and Alaska in that attempt,
shall see what happens)
ok I did that thing
its now 28.6cm weu to ukr, 30cm nor to seu
*added pretty traces of Pacific islands
*setup the layers
*added AARHE symbols library
to colour-in / create a territory
1. go to “Map: nation” layer
2. merge together the a few nations to create a territory
3. colour it is and give it a stroke
all the “Map” layers are of course related so try to not change them besides colour and stroke
if nothing else then our base file / template is ready
Ok well use it.
I have the printed out copy of 1939 AARHE and i can assert its the most beautiful map I have ever seen. Its looks MUCH MUCH BETTER THAN THE FILE. I am speechless!
I encourage everybody to print out a copy of this. Pictures coming soon….
oh yeah I forgot a sea zone layer
it important that its below the nations layer
so the dotted always slip under the shoreline
after you printed the beautiful 1939 map
do you still want to remake the 1939 map? :-D
Yes of course! This will just be another version. Its possible to have more than one perfect map.
This will be a realistic version for aesthetics of a different type.
ah I see you’ve implemented the colour change back to OOB Russia
I wrote the setup table in the rules file based on the map 2007-12-19 you pointed me to
there are maybe some consistencies such as Trans-Jordan didn’t have artillery on that map
if you want to update to the latest terrain settings
add mountainous to Morroco, Italian East Africa, Japan, Mexico, Western Canada
add snowy to Greenland, Buryatia, Yakut
add “small” to Midway, Wake, Marshall, Marianas (this quite important as there were no large islands in Central Pacific and probably why Allies historically had to go via South Pacific)
the unit icons are not easy to read
maybe could make battleships larger to be distinct
say submarine 1, destroyer 1.5, battleship 2 units long
SZ14 Italian Cruiser has a different colour than the rest of the Italian navy
In illustrator how do move items between layers besides cut and paste? or is there a way to cut and paste without the item being shifted in x y coordinates
The new setup is correct. The Artillery in Trans-Jordan are needed. The map with icons has these corrected.
To get a different layer you click object with right button and click select. Then pick the choice you want.
sometimes you need to enlarge the picture or move something to get at another thing and then move it back.
all repairs done new files are up.
BTW the map does not have wake. That island is not important. Also, added Azores to small category. If you find other errors just copy the text to where you want it and finish and ill post on page one.
@Imperious:
To get a different layer you click object with right button and click select. Then pick the choice you want.
no I was referring to move an object A from layer B to layer C without changing object A’s x-y co-ordinates
what you were referring to is not layers but just overlapping objects
if there isn’t a way then it’ll be more work but should still have setup icons as a separate layer
then you’ve got one file rather two to maintain/upload/etc
BTW the map does not have wake. That island is not important. Also, added Azores to small category. If you find other errors just copy the text to where you want it and finish and ill post on page one.
it certainly didn’t do much historical
why did the Japanese attack it? maybe it could have a use
yeah Azores marked as “small” is right
and it would be great if Midway was in sz69 rather than sz56
have yet another idea on how to have your beloved :wink: 3 SZ Bering Strait without being awarkard
mark icy bits of Soviet Far East and Alasaka as Artic Circle (Impassable)
sz63 is adjacent to these two impassables but not SFE or Alasaka
whlie you are making Artic Cirlce, probably good time to remove OOB’s sz64 connection to Western Canada
further on terrain
on standard map
*Caroline Islands is not “small” terrain (being Caroline, Marianas and Pacific Islands)
*Finland and Archangel is not Snowy (after considering climate map and monthly temperatures)
but of course 1939 map doesn’t have to use the same benchmark
(though Archangel can be either as the city is right up north)
Ok can you just make these changes? This thing never ends with so many little details. Just fix it this last time so we dont have any more changes to make. Move Midway etc.
oh, you agree with all the proposals?
*Midway
*Bering Strait
*Caroline Islands
*Finland/Archangel
I think I found out how to bump objects into another layer in illustrator
http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1154471&page=1
shall try it out later
Not Finland and archangel. everything else is good.
If you want to add Iwo Jima (Bonin Islands) thats fine too.
The rules file has grammar issues, run on sentences, misspelled words.
Also where did the oil rules go?
The NA’s need separate bold heading for names.
The techs got one thats stuck with another.
A number of confusing rules. Everything should be readable one time.
Case by case points:
first page Id lake the Version and released info in white so it shows up.
page 7 need sequence for 1939 version
page 10 IPC not spent nor saved is forfeited… what does this mean?
IPC path– you need to explain what a closed canal/ straight is ( reference by page #)
Convoy sea zone reverse last two sentences (you roll first and apply result latter)
Page 14 naval transport. So does this allow friendly naval transport during NCM?
Page 15 what does relocate 50% of land units mean?
page 16 Interdiction— Roll 1 die against each unit destroying it on its hit value? explain differently
page 17— excess air units fight with normal combat values -2 . explain?
anti-air ID rolls need to be placed with ID section. Its like reading chapter 1 now and chapter 2 latter
Page 18 the attacker can retreat even if the defender was destroyed? thats not correct.
page 21 naval combat— if only one side has naval units the other side must retreat? what is this?
attacker retreat— this is allowed even if defender has no units left?
page 24 Naval combat Amp ASs— however units that break off you may not continue amp assault? doe snot make sense.
air missions— each air unit can perform only one mission as the active player and one as the passive player ( DAS)
planes doing DAS can also perform other missions and thats not clear.
SBR — reference that the SR is an optional rule and reference page number.
Page 25 what is the maximum damage for territories with a factory?
page 28 deployment— airborne units are mobilized at capital victory city…do we need the 2 VCP part?
page 30 Rocket tech is stuck with Hvy bomber
self propelled---- i think we had some other value for this… for 5 ipc who would buy one? I thought we gave them a if they roll a one they select the unit they kill?
atomic bomb should be spaced away from that box
page 37 check the neutrals for inconsistencies from the new set up sheets
page 38-54 bold headings and separation of NA titles.
on page 37 replace AP for TR people don’t know about AP even though its the correct title.
the word Soviet Union is misspelled with a Unionm but i forgot where i saw it.
