AARHE 1939 map and rule files

Is that link the same map as before?  I notice you crunched the eastern part of Russia. Also some of the Hawaiian Islands are missing.

Its different. The free vector world map doesn’t have small islands.
I had to put them in from live traces of google maps. And we will do that later. Continent has to be done first.

What do you not like about the previous map? Do you feel its too large or? I think its a fine starting point whereas the one you posted is going backwards on work both of us have already done.

The layers were crushed.
Its large yet Europe was small. (When both scaled to 178cm your edit is 25.3cm and this new map is 29.5cm for Western Europe to Ukraine.)

We need a neat new map as a starting point / base map for the 3 AARHE maps.

I did all the techniques mentioned I think. Trimmed north and south. Trimmed Central America. Shrunk North and South America. Shrunk Soviet Far East…
Maybe there are more so we can enlarge Europe further.

This is a screenshot comparison of the two maps.
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9584/comparisonwt7.png

If you want a realistic map which is the point then enlarging Europe alone is impossible unless a major edit also must occur to patch it to the territories that are not enlarged. Its impossible unless Africa and Middle east are junked. Thats why the former AARHE 1939 map has a poor representation of the area between Suez to India.

No we enlarge Europe. Forgo realistic map.
Don’t get confused. These are two different projects (my “real map” project and the AARHE project).

The new AARHE maps still has to be playable.

I made a few mistakes on the line work which im fixing. If you want a fancy script try and make one. I will type out the names of territories so they can be added as a layer and easily changed into any font so dont worry.

You talking about sea zones?
Until the continent/territories are finalised, we can’t do the other work yet.
Don’t work on them yet.

I have not worked on islands at all, i left the map you have alone. only the entire map globally was altered. As you know the islands are way too small and will need to be enlarged (and more islands added) so its playable.

Yes we shall enlarge UK, Japan etc. Thats all very easy compared to getting Europe right.

I edited my last post too

@Imperious:

The map you posted last night leaves much to be desired.  I am going to upload a real map ASAP. Its much more detailed.

AS soon as you got it let me know because i need to delete the file.

What is there to be desired?
I though I applied all we’ve did to the continents.
If you are talking about income icons and colour fill and stuff…those has no place in a base map.
The AARHE 1939 map has different vastly different income and control from the AARHE standard map.

What are you uploading? A vector world map?
What site? I hope its not what I have already.

The free vector map has coastline, borders and nation shapes.
I just got rid of the coastline and borders and only left the nation shapes cos thats what I thought we’ll only need.
its more complex when you have coastline, but we can have it if you want to make the shoreline decoration.

The map you gave me looks great with relief map.
But it seems to have nation-to-nation borders but no shapes. Its not as easy as having nation shapes which you just fill in colours easily.

Or hopefully my world map is exactly as your world map in accuracy, then we can use the shapes from my world map and the geography from your world map.

Geography map looks nice. But might make the icons and text hard to read.
And if we use them I presume we then have shapes with OOB colours and opacity set to 50% or something on top of the relief map?
We have to consider that before deciding to use it.

My intention was not to use the relief map as the map, but only use the line artwork because its more detailed.

no we don’t have to use the relief map
I am only saying cos you wanted it earlier like the classic map
it’ll just make text and icons harder to read

Also, Europe looks larger.

it looks larger
but its not larger
its still a real map
the comparison figure is 20cm and 22cm for those two maps
(comparison figure: map scaled to 1782mm long, maximum measure of Western Europe to Ukraine)

whereas my old map was 24cm
and it took a lot of pain to scale to 30cm
this is going to be harder thats all

If you break the file open you can make it all one color and then eventually change individual portions of it.

it just doesn’t have shapes of each nation
it only has continent lines and nation borders
there is lots of manual work to be done before we can colour in territories
(or maybe you know some tricks to do it neatly with illustrator?)

If you compare Norway to your Norway (on the other map you posted its a huge difference in detail)

yes its a lot more detailed, in fact it has small islands like Azores!
(one of the maps downloaded had small islands, but no country shapes nor borders…its only good for grabbing the islands when needed…but really we should just do zooms of google map and live trace the small islands…prettier)

Also, as you may suspect you have the add the west coast to the other side by flipping it around.

the Mercator yes
the Robinson no I don’t know to do it in illustrator
you have to warp a curve shape

@Imperious:

the Mercator yes
the Robinson no I don’t know to do it in illustrator
you have to warp a curve shape

This is easy. Your just click and flip over the north American continent and drag it over to the right side. If the image wont allow this then you import only the north American continent from your other file, or as a last resort add a second file (double it up and patch together)

I don’t get what you mean
if you flip over North America vertically, Alaska and Soviet Far East are no longer neighbours

I think we both should work on this map and i cant get into a crash course on Illustrator, but you just do what you can

do you know actually understand what I was talking about?
the map only has land borders between countries, and continent lines
it has no shapes for individual nations
so there are lots of untidy manual work to be done to create the territories
(unless you know a way to do it)

First we need to decide on the starting profile. I see no problems with the one i edited, but if you can find another that has equal or greater detail then lets use that.

what do you mean starting profile?
like the starting base map?
no your map has greater details
I’ve already said that

The projection CAN in fact have a pronounced European land mass, especially the projections that have Europe as centralized and show it as a roundish map of the world.

it makes Europe appear bigger than other continents
but no it doesn’t make it bigger
it only makes the other countries smaller

because the equator is rarely distorted

what matter is the % of whole map width that is Europe

I still don’t understand
basically North America is curved to the left
if you want it to curve to the right, is there a way to do it properly?

yes its much work to draw all the territories and the results won’t be neat
so lets use a map with nation shapes

oh, the last map should have the same level of detail as the “real map” project though
I made it with same free vector map

this is the base map
http://www.freemap.jp/world/img/ga_worldmap_1/1.zip

agressive enlarging of Europe
I’ve stretched Europe like revised
but the split is not at Middle East but Eastern Africa

(yet to stitch it back together with Asia)
both Soviet Far East and Alaska were shrunk further, Ocean shrunk further, America shrunk further

it generates a comparison figure of 36cm

or maybe we just need to find a Mercator map with nation shapes
(ie. my map is Miller with nation shapes, Mercator has Europe more stretched North-South wise)

this is getting a little sad
it seems a playable axis and allies map must be so distorted that it’ll be hard to draw realistic sea zones

Were air raids against convoy shipping as successfully as submarine raids?
If so is it significant enough for us to introduce a model?

The U.S. used civilian aircraft to spot german u-boats off our east coast.  often these aircraft were armed and are credited with sinking two subs.  Perhaps there should be some advantage if subs are used in conjunction with aircraft.

Ok then probably not significant enough to call for another AARHE rule.

Yemble, does a realistic AARHE map excite you?

Imperious, I still have an answered post.

Oh, you continued working on it.
The more you work on this file the more you don’t want to go back.  :wink:
Please. Hold on.

We should have the base file sorted out first.
That file is not suitable.
It has no layers.
And Europe is too small.

Europe needs to be big enough at 70x33", not 96x48". Right?
96x48" is huge even compared to The War Game.

ok so we are going for realistic map
in that case we better keep supporting the current “roomy” versions then

I have a new candidate base file
*bigger Europe, no Africa/Middle East distorting
*preserved layers from the original map (so you can toggle modern world borders and have your shoreline art)
*also slightly enlarged UK and Japan

largest measure of Western Europe to Ukraine

your edit is 13.46" (34.2cm) @ 96"x48"
ie. 24.9cm @ 70"

this edit is 27.3cm @ 1782cmx840cm (70"x33")
ie. 37.4cm @ 96"

if its good then I add back in the better Islands, AARHE icons, layers, and stuff
and we have a base file done
then you go do the 1939 map and I go do the standard map

http://www.mediafire.com/?4jclealmz1m

here is the set up file to work from for 1939 AARHE

http://www.mediafire.com/?fmxndxjvt0u

http://www.mediafire.com/upload_complete.php?id=z4aismgjqyt

also here is the set up file.

http://www.mediafire.com/?bmzlyvw37yz

http://www.mediafire.com/upload_complete.php?id=iym5wbmjzx9

Er, thats your edit of my “real map” and the empty 1939 table.

I was asking for latest 1939 map for me to do the 1939 setup file.