But nothing is ever likely to come of it, and I wouldn’t say they’re building past anything that they haven’t already been at previous points in time.
Tasering in America – right or wrong??
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Haha I love ytmnd
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Well, I am sure 6 cops could have removed him from the room. They could have pulled out sticks and beat him into submission. It may seem like an easy thing to just drag a guy out of the room, but when he’s kicking and screeming and acting like a three year old some one is going to get hurt in the process. If the guy being romoved want to risk injury to himself to make his point thats his decision. The cops have a responsibility to do what they can to keep bystanders as well as them selves from being hurt. If a tazer makes that happen, more power to 'em.
As a rule cops don’t just go around tazering people for jollies. They knew there were camera present and I believe, until some one shows diferently, that they were acting within their departmental policy.
Did anyone stop to think that it’s most likely that they were instructed to remove this guy from the room. I would be willing to bet that te cops didn’t just decide “hey that guys gotta go”. Most likely an organizer directed them to remove him. At that point it is there resopnceability to make that happen.
As usual on the net people react to what they are shown with no thought that there might and almost always is more to the story. It’s more fun to be outraged than it is to think that maybe there is a rational explanation for what I am seeing. :roll:
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Well, I am sure 6 cops could have removed him from the room. They could have pulled out sticks and beat him into submission. It may seem like an easy thing to just drag a guy out of the room, but when he’s kicking and screeming and acting like a three year old some one is going to get hurt in the process. If the guy being romoved want to risk injury to himself to make his point thats his decision. The cops have a responsibility to do what they can to keep bystanders as well as them selves from being hurt. If a tazer makes that happen, more power to 'em.
How would a guy under a pile of cops hurt anyone? He wasn’t even on PCP.
As a rule cops don’t just go around tazering people for jollies. They knew there were camera present and I believe, until some one shows diferently, that they were acting within their departmental policy.
Actually, there has been much debate about not only the lethality of a taser, but also the excessive employment of them. People have died from being tased, there are records showing that cops are more likely to use the taser since it is considered nonlethal.
Did anyone stop to think that it’s most likely that they were instructed to remove this guy from the room. I would be willing to bet that te cops didn’t just decide “hey that guys gotta go”. Most likely an organizer directed them to remove him. At that point it is there resopnceability to make that happen.
Unfortunately, we can’t just silence what we don’t want to hear. A discussion must include even the fringe arguments that are unlikely.
As usual on the net people react to what they are shown with no thought that there might and almost always is more to the story. It’s more fun to be outraged than it is to think that maybe there is a rational explanation for what I am seeing. :roll:
What could possibly be more to the story? You can see everything from start to finish on the video.
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Well, I am sure 6 cops could have removed him from the room. They could have pulled out sticks and beat him into submission. It may seem like an easy thing to just drag a guy out of the room, but when he’s kicking and screeming and acting like a three year old some one is going to get hurt in the process. If the guy being romoved want to risk injury to himself to make his point thats his decision. The cops have a responsibility to do what they can to keep bystanders as well as them selves from being hurt. If a tazer makes that happen, more power to 'em.
How would a guy under a pile of cops hurt anyone? He wasn’t even on PCP.
how long were they to stay there, pinning him down? How would they stop him from shouting down the person everyone actually was there to hear speak? How safe would it be to just hold some thrashing guy down? Even with the threat of a tasing, he was still yelling and thrashing and resisting.
As a rule cops don’t just go around tazering people for jollies. They knew there were camera present and I believe, until some one shows diferently, that they were acting within their departmental policy.
Actually, there has been much debate about not only the lethality of a taser, but also the excessive employment of them. People have died from being tased, there are records showing that cops are more likely to use the taser since it is considered nonlethal.
people die from cars too and people’s reckless empolyment of those. As for the “lethality” - i have read about that, and i think that one has to be careful about zappng the heart. But a taser is like a gun. Maybe don’t give the cops a reason to use it . . . ?
Did anyone stop to think that it’s most likely that they were instructed to remove this guy from the room. I would be willing to bet that te cops didn’t just decide “hey that guys gotta go”. Most likely an organizer directed them to remove him. At that point it is there resopnceability to make that happen.
Unfortunately, we can’t just silence what we don’t want to hear. A discussion must include even the fringe arguments that are unlikely.
That really depends. I’m guessing the gay and lesbian coalition would prohibit a conservative Christian from shouting at their meeting (actually - i saw an example where they prevented a conservative Christian from speaking at an organization that was organized for him).
As usual on the net people react to what they are shown with no thought that there might and almost always is more to the story. It’s more fun to be outraged than it is to think that maybe there is a rational explanation for what I am seeing. :roll:
What could possibly be more to the story? You can see everything from start to finish on the video.
Well - if we go just by the video, we don’t know the conditions that Kerry agreed to speak under, we don’t know if this guy had a restraining order against him, we don’t know if he’s got a previous record or experience with these cops or these meetings, we don’t know if he has some kind of restraining order against him. At any rate, the fact is that he was asked to sit down and shut up, and he very strenuously resisted this.
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Well, I am sure 6 cops could have removed him from the room. They could have pulled out sticks and beat him into submission. It may seem like an easy thing to just drag a guy out of the room, but when he’s kicking and screeming and acting like a three year old some one is going to get hurt in the process. If the guy being romoved want to risk injury to himself to make his point thats his decision. The cops have a responsibility to do what they can to keep bystanders as well as them selves from being hurt. If a tazer makes that happen, more power to 'em.
As a rule cops don’t just go around tazering people for jollies. They knew there were camera present and I believe, until some one shows diferently, that they were acting within their departmental policy.
Did anyone stop to think that it’s most likely that they were instructed to remove this guy from the room. I would be willing to bet that te cops didn’t just decide “hey that guys gotta go”. Most likely an organizer directed them to remove him. At that point it is there resopnceability to make that happen.
As usual on the net people react to what they are shown with no thought that there might and almost always is more to the story. It’s more fun to be outraged than it is to think that maybe there is a rational explanation for what I am seeing. :roll:
I agree.
If you carefully watch the video, you will note the guy is resisting. he doesnt go quietly. Moreover, in breaking away from the cops, on several occasions, he bumps into members of the audience, knocking one forward. He also tries to RUN when chased/dragged up the isle.
The cops owe the AUDIENCE protection as well as themselves. If this guy had a knife or injured someone, people would be blaming the cops for failing to protect them.
Also, his own website shows the juvenile grandstanding bastich this guy actually is.
Taser FTW !!
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How would a guy under a pile of cops hurt anyone? He wasn’t even on PCP.
I think CC covered this, should they sit on him for 10 minutes? 20? 2 hours?
Actually, there has been much debate about not only the lethality of a taser, but also the excessive employment of them. People have died from being tased, there are records showing that cops are more likely to use the taser since it is considered nonlethal.
I don’t know how the laws are inother places, but in AZ you can’t use “less than lethal” on someone unless it has been used on you. In other words the cops here have all been tazed and pepper sprayed. They know exactly what it does and how it works.
Unfortunately, we can’t just silence what we don’t want to hear. A discussion must include even the fringe arguments that are unlikely.
Yeah we can. You may have freedom of speech, but I also have the freedom to tell you to be quiet if I don’t want to hear it in my house. I can hold my hands over my ears, mI can turn off the TV/Radio. And if you’re on my property I can tell you to shut up or leave.
What could possibly be more to the story? You can see everything from start to finish on the video.
Of course there’s more to the story, unless you were there, you don’t know what was happening outside of the camera view.
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