@sergio here is the lite version of AARHE 4.0
AARHE 1939 Edition
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you can do that anyway on your printer. I will make hash marks so you can print 8.5x11 sections.
Besides nobody said it was done. It cant be finished until the setup is done. we will find issues after setup is complete. I advise Tekkyy to post a version with the mock up units in positions starting the 1939 scenario.
The values of the units are already established under AARHE ( using all the extra pieces as possible candidates)
If you guys want i can load up the icons or you can drag them from the symbol tray to the map. it very straightforward.
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@Imperious:
2. Sahara desert too far north, no Morocco. I didn’t say move Rio north, but move Sahara and Algeria south to form Morocco.
Its fine the way it is. its also looking more like revised and we need some things to stay the same
Make your mind up; is it revised or isn’t it. Be consistant.
3. No Gulf of Aqaba, therefore no T-J/Red Sea access
don’t need it its not important
But the map just looks wrong without it. Seen Lawrence of Arabia? Aqaba is TRES important.
4. Only one India, too easy for Japan to conquer
No its harder because if it was different territories the british would have the spread out, while the Japs can pick and choose where they want to destroy.
So if USSR was one territory it’d be harder for Germany to conquer? Why divide FIC by putting in Burma?
5. Bulgaria has Aegean coastline
it has its own
But it shouldn’t have. Though I think you may have fixed this. Well done.
8. Kenya and Uganda in Italian East Africa
They wont be represented and you know this. If anything its Ethiopia and Italian Somaliland
I’m only suggesting you expand Tanganyika northwards to include these areas, and call the whole lot British East Africa. Look at a real map and you’ll see the border is in the wrong place.
9. Hopei should be Japanese held
I already told you thats its also like 3 other territories of which Japan didn’t conquer by this time. Its just a name to represent a much larger territory. China has many territories not only 6. please look at a map from this period.
All my maps show that Japan had taken over ALL the territory covered by Hopei on your map by 1939.
10. Capital of Kwangtung should be Nanking
This map does not represent only capitals…it represents only major important cities which may or may not be capitals. Nanking was under Japans control in 1937 so its not even accurate.
But so was Canton. And Shanghai, indeed all the important coastal towns. What I’m saying is that if you have one of these cities on the map it might as well be the capital - Nanking.
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2. Sahara desert too far north, no Morocco. I didn’t say move Rio north, but move Sahara and Algeria south to form Morocco.
Its fine the way it is. its also looking more like revised and we need some things to stay the same
Make your mind up; is it revised or isn’t it. Be consistant.
+++++++Its my map based on revised. that will always be Consistent.
3. No Gulf of Aqaba, therefore no T-J/Red Sea accessdon’t need it its not important
But the map just looks wrong without it. Seen Lawrence of Arabia? Aqaba is TRES important.
+++++++++I don’t base my maps on movies. I have to look at what can be accomplished in real terms a very small insignificant narrow water access to a useless channel of water is what constitutes as useless.
4. Only one India, too easy for Japan to conquer
No its harder because if it was different territories the british would have the spread out, while the Japs can pick and choose where they want to destroy.
So if USSR was one territory it’d be harder for Germany to conquer? Why divide FIC by putting in Burma?
+++++That was done because FIC is too large and it was my solution to help protect India with a buffer state. Division = weakness… the solution is buffer states. If USSR was one territory it would protect it, but your doing the apples and oranges thing again because USSR was a major player in the war and India was just a ‘helper’ for the allies… nothing significant to the war.
5. Bulgaria has Aegean coastline
it has its own
But it shouldn’t have. Though I think you may have fixed this. Well done.
8. Kenya and Uganda in Italian East Africa
They wont be represented and you know this. If anything its Ethiopia and Italian Somaliland
I’m only suggesting you expand Tanganyika northwards to include these areas, and call the whole lot British East Africa. Look at a real map and you’ll see the border is in the wrong place.
+++++++++ British East Africa was done by 1939 The new territories are Kenya and Tanganyika. Look at a real map of this period. I admit the border is not correct so ill correct it so it touches the Sudanese border to link the British assets
9. Hopei should be Japanese held
I already told you thats its also like 3 other territories of which Japan didn’t conquer by this time. Its just a name to represent a much larger territory. China has many territories not only 6. please look at a map from this period.
All my maps show that Japan had taken over ALL the territory covered by Hopei on your map by 1939.
++++++ Please read my post a few more times and then repeat your same claim over and over again…eventually you will actually read the part that says “its a representative name of 3 other territories not occupied by Japan in 1939 as well”
10. Capital of Kwangtung should be Nanking
This map does not represent only capitals…it represents only major important cities which may or may not be capitals. Nanking was under Japans control in 1937 so its not even accurate.
But so was Canton. And Shanghai, indeed all the important coastal towns. What I’m saying is that if you have one of these cities on the map it might as well be the capital - Nanking.
+++++Canton/Hong Kong were not occupied until 1941. This map is 1939. Nanking was already in Jap hands. You made another mistake. Just accept it and move forward.
Start working on the set up…
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extend Buryatia to border Novosibirsk
make eastern half of Buryatia “Amur” province.this weakens the Soviet hold on the border too much. If people play normal revised they lose this and your idea is marginal and to no benefit to the project. I can use your methodology to keep dividing up territories ans turn this into a useless passion. The buck has to stop somewhere. Look at the other Soviet territories now they will look larger…. should i just keep making them into smaller territories?? will that make for a better game?
no i think not. If something does not add to the game in a meaningful way then i don’t add it. Just like that "Trans jordan: the “internationally renowned military port” to the red sea-- idea of yours.
The only reason why i added more territories to middle east was to help slow down the movement from Africa to Russia by axis forces, because it creates too much pressure on Caucasus. Thats another reason why your argument on India fails. I protect indirectly and directly… keep it one territory and buffer it with useless nations so its harder to get at.
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Note I make Novo Buryatia mountainous - a powerful block to an unrealistic Japanese invasion route.
I agree that you can go on dividing territories forever, but this suggestion did have a purpose to it.
My information is that Canton fell to the Japanese on 21st October 1938.
You made another mistake. Just accept it and move forward.
It doesn’t matter how many maps of China I look at, they all show the ENTIRE region covered by your Hopei under Japanese occupation by 1939. Kwangtung is open to debate on the cities vs territory question, but Hopei is Japanese period. Please show me a map demonstrating otherwise.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Japanese_Empire2.png
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*purchase chart - I take it the 5 IPC rocket launcher is the new symbol for ID (infrastructure defence) but whats the 8 IPC unit?
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=purchaseud8.pngThe Sahara is not invadable and mountain territories will be limited to 2 land units invading per sea zone.
How come Sahara not invadable now?
The mountainous limit might be too much. We already have a small terrain limit for places like Gibraltar in AARHE. 2 land units per cycle. Spain is for example mountainous but large territory.Touch up China border.
Hopei just enlarge it slightly
Tibet just move it south slightly (reduce himalayas) -
2007-09-23 PNG version
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070923aarhe1939yv3.png -
The mountainous limit might be too much. We already have a small terrain limit for places like Gibraltar in AARHE. 2 land units per cycle. Spain is for example mountainous but large territory.
I think it solves alot of issues that are very historical. Norway was not re-invaded by the allies because of the difficulties associated with attacking a mountain territory, it also protects Yugoslavia and forces the allies to invade southern Italy. Also Hitlers plan for Spain didn’t involve a sea attack but a direct invasion from southern france. So what this does is make it more realistic for the game.
I also fixed the image of those two items on the purchase chart. they will show up now.
Touch up China border.
Hopei just enlarge it slightly
Tibet just move it south slightly (reduce himalayas)ill look into this.
Canton fell to the Japanese on 21st October 1938.
ill find a place that wasn’t. or ill make the map for October 20th 1938.
or ill pull out another wikpedia masterpiece…
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Japanese_plan_for_china_-_December_1941.jpg
actually ill make it hong kong…thank you.
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Nice map. Looks good.
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thanks
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Nice map, getting better and better, you guys really contribute to the society.
I love sz3 sz4 and sz5, no more UK ahistoric bridging of units from UK to Russia in one round. Now UK convoys must try to breake through the Tirpitz blockade.
Even Mediterranean sea is getting real good.
Just wounder why Italian East Africa (Abyssinia) is so large ? Etiopia is all mountains, and Somalia is desert, it should be hard to move an army through it, but now it is an express-route.
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Just wounder why Italian East Africa (Abyssinia) is so large ? Etiopia is all mountains, and Somalia is desert, it should be hard to move an army through it, but now it is an express-route.
it just got smaller because i linked the british colonies as they should be represented.
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@Imperious:
Just wounder why Italian East Africa (Abyssinia) is so large ? Etiopia is all mountains, and Somalia is desert, it should be hard to move an army through it, but now it is an express-route.
it just got smaller because i linked the british colonies as they should be represented.
You see, it is worth persisting. Even if sometimes it’s like squeezing blood from a stone…
Area “A” is already Japanese, or if by “to be secured” you imply no control, then neither did Germany ever “secure” Ukraine or Belarus.
I refer you to the Changsha suggestion I made some posts ago; Hong Kong as a Chinese VC makes little sense as the Japanese wouldn’t have attacked it before Pearl Harbor for fear of provoking the Brits.Incidentally the latest Mediafire map won’t download.
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Hong Kong as a Chinese VC makes little sense as the Japanese wouldn’t have attacked it before Pearl Harbor for fear of provoking the Brits.
that doesn’t matter in this project and thats why Hong Kong is the choice.
start making the setup for starting forces. i think the map is done.
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Why is some AARHE threads here on Variants and other threads on House rules ?
I think AARHE is a variant with its specific map, not a house rule.
Will rule discussions be in this thread or in new thread ?
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I think the Blockhouse from D-day should be in this game.
It can act as a heavy artillery that take two hits, like a battleship on land.
Maybe roll dice in opening fire step, like a BB ?Come on, we got the piece, lets put it to good use
And the truck from Bulge can be mech inf
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If the map is done I’d still like to see at least some preliminary IPC values before thinking about starting forces. Has the oil field idea been ditched?
I’ve said it before, but I really do not like one-turn Atlantic crossings. They really don’t give the U-boats much of a chance, and remember that the Atlantic battle was the closest the Western Allies ever came to defeat.
Therefore, I’d split SZ 9, and possibly 11:
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I’ve said it before, but I really do not like one-turn Atlantic crossings. They really don’t give the U-boats much of a chance, and remember that the Atlantic battle was the closest the Western Allies ever came to defeat.
The rules dont give subs much of a chance, remember aircrafts can sink any subs very easy.
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