AARHE 1939 Edition

@Imperious:

allows Japan to defend the home island by occuping only SZ 57 rather than have to pull back and stick fleet in SZ 60… Secondly, stops people from sticking to pure OOB rules and shuck stuff to Soviet far east from Alaska… now its harder and also makes the trip for japan harder. Last reason is that looks more correct because those zones would be large

I see what you mean. Oh well. Wish there was a better way. The sea zone south of Soivet Far and south of Alaska are certrainly big. But the latitude gap between the tips of both is small. Maybe something to do with SZ 62 having access to Buryatia.

1. its a desert terrain and has special rules for it unlike the impassible Mt. everest. 2) ill look at it

Yeah but deserts are just marked “(desert)”, like Saudi Arabia.

it is too large of a place to just give it to france. It allows UK another place to land planes and stage attacks from.

Yeah I don’t mean to give it to France. Just thinking of placing it between West Africa and Equatorial Africa with access to Sahara.

Is that a rocket launcher?
++++++++ ??? huh?

Oh. Might be just a font problem. There is a rocket launcher that costs 5 IPC and a gentlemen that costs 8 IPC.  :lol:

Black Sea
I think what adlertag means is that SZ16 should be fully north of Turkey to avoid confusion.
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And while you are at it, consider changing SZ 12/13 so you invade Gibraltar without taking pain of strait interdiction.
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@Flashman:

The Inner Mongolia territory also includes the Shensi and Shansi provinces, which were the principle CCP controlled areas.  Certainly the KMT had no influence north of Szechuan, this is why I give these areas to the Soviet controlled CCP.

KMT’s weak control of the country (CCP, warlords, etc) is modelled by a low income and lack of infantry raising power (AARHE VC system).
If the income is too high (at 7 vs. Italy’s 6) then might put Tibet or Inner Mongolia down to 0 IPC.

CCP were guerillas during WWII. Don’t need to represent it.

Shanghai
Fallen by 1937. What could we do? Use a different victory city for Kwangtung?

@tekkyy:

Black Sea
I think what adlertag means is that SZ16 should be fully north of Turkey to avoid confusion.
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackseage5.png

You are correct, and it will look even better if the line between sz14 and sz15 is drawed straight to the southern most tip of Greece. As is now I am confused, can you reach the Turkey canal from sz 14 ?

@tekkyy:

And while you are at it, consider changing SZ 12/13 so you invade Gibraltar without taking pain of strait interdiction.
http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gibraltarid0.png

I agree with this, you really should be able to invade Gibraltar from the Atlantic.

Also, if you placed a Blockhouse (from D-day) in Gibraltar, the strait is closed.

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@Adlertag:

@tekkyy:

Black Sea
I think what adlertag means is that SZ16 should be fully north of Turkey to avoid confusion.
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackseage5.png

You are correct, and it will look even better if the line between sz14 and sz15 is drawed straight to the southern most tip of Greece. As is now I am confused, can you reach the Turkey canal from sz 14 ?

As I said before this confusion would be cleared up if you use the 1939 Greece border which stretched to Turkey.  Bulgaria should not have a border with SZ14.  The SZ 14/15 border could then be drawn vertically up to Morea.

Pretty good job rejigging the Middle East, especially given the big distortion of the map here.

Just to tidy up a bit:

The Gulf of Aquaba is missing between Sinia, T-J and Saudi. This should give T-J access to the Red Sea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqaba

Iraq’s sea border is too long, give some of this back to Persia.
As I understand it, the status of Iraq in 1939 was similar to that of Egypt; the UK had military bases and transit rights. It was only the Raschid Ali coup in April 1941 that ended these privilages.

For some real semantics:

“Levant States” is a little too post war. In fact Lebanon was always included in the French mandate of Syria, so simple “Syria” is accurate.
Persia changed it’s name to Iran in 1936

Regarding China, Hopei should be Japanese by 1939.

Control of the Chinese south east region is always a problem, since the Japanese occupied all the important coastal towns but left the interior to China.  Thus Shanghai, Nanking and Canton were in Japanese hands by the time of this map, although they constitute only a few coastal enclaves of the area overall.

Hong Kong was unoccupied but you may have a problem with a UK treaty port as a Chinese VC.

The other option is Changsha, capital of Hunan province. The USAAF used bases in Hunan to bomb Japan, forcing the Japanese to invade the area in operation Ichi-go.  This is the best bet for a KMT/USA centre in this region.

Southern Sinkiang isn’t really Tibet, “Tarim Basin” is more like it.

Mentioning Hong Kong, I’ve been thinking that places like this and Gibraltar should be reclassified as treaty ports rather than made separate areas in themselves.  So Gib would be a UK treaty port in Spain, and an attack on it would only be possible as a simultaneous attack on Spain itself which, if successful, closes the port to the Allies.  Similarly if Spain joins the Axis for some reason the treaty is annulled and the port closed.
A TP Gibraltar would only be permitted to harbour UK ships with all relevant port facilities, but could not host ground or air units as defence of the region is considered the responsibility of neutral Spain.

Of course if you don’t use ports/naval bases you’ll have to think of something else, but it does seem untidy to have areas functionally as big as any other land area which on a real map are mere pin-pricks.  Those ridiculous circles drawn around Hong Kong on, for example, AAP really twist my titties.

One other map operation I did was to “straighten out” the Levant, pushing Africa southwards (I started out with a map based on World at War, so many such ops were needed).  This gives you more room in the Mediterranean for more islands (Sicily, Crete, Cyprus), but pushes Tangier and Gibraltar apart. I decided this last was a price worth paying for more room in then Med.

IL, are you actually making a game by commitee ?

WOW, I always belived you was dictator  8-)

Yes, I think Burma road is a good idea, also is Trans-siberian railway.

BRENNER PASS

I imagine an impassable mountain line between Germany and Italy, but with a pass/canal, like the Panama canal or Suez canal. You can only attack through this pass with 4 land units, and unlimited air. This will favour the defender. This rule should also go for sea canals. The ships sail one by one through canals, and are sitting ducks on the other side.

I like the Diplomatic Blitz rule from Attack! from Eagle Games.
Modified for A&A it will work like this :

You roll a diplomatic dice to make a minor join your side. The dice cost 3 IPC.
The basic roll is 3 or more for success. (Note that in combat you roll a number and less is hit)

Modifiers :
If the minor is adjacent to your home country, +1 to roll
If you have an army in adjacent territory, +1 to roll
If you have a battleship in adjacent sea zone, +1 to roll

If success, place your national token in the territory, the minor join you next turn.

Now the opposit players may try to counter-coup your allied minor, by rolling the same diplomatic dice.

Just as simple as that.

@Flashman:

Southern Sinkiang isn’t really Tibet, “Tarim Basin” is more like it.

I think Flashman is finding that because Himalayas is too big at the moment. It covers what should be part of Tibet.

@Adlertag:

…Now the opposit players may try to counter-coup your allied minor, by rolling the same diplomatic dice.
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Yeah in fact we have a very similar system in already AARHE.
Diplomatic rolls do not cost IPC. Powers like US gets more dice.
An neutral can be between -5 and +5. Positive being Allied camp.
It ranges between fully ally to just air units can pass.
We have modifiers too. Not for adjacent military though cos then you’ve got to consider neutral army. Spain has an big army. Afgan has a small army.

[b]Anyway I think we should have a separate topic for rules.

you said many changes but actually I didn’t notice much haha
I see Archangel is Snowy now, I like that
Nigeria is fixed, which is important so its not too close to UK

I’ll skip the PNG export today since its not the latest version

approved but missing changes:

*purchase chart - 5 IPC AA/ID is not symbol and experiencing font viewing problem, 8 IPC gentleman to be removed
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*Australia - mountainous to be removed
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*China - Inner Mongolia to be desert, Szechwan to be mountainous, Urumqi to be back in Sinkiang
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*Sahara - marked as “(Desert)” instead of strange pattern fill, I thought we are against terrain represented by
colour
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ongoing discussion and changes you’ve yet to reject:

*Pacific - 4 SZs between Japan and Western US might be too low compared to 3 SZs between Soviet Far East and Alaska and 4 SZs between Eastern US and France
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*Bering Sea - one proposal instead of the current new SZ for Bering Strait, removed SZ 62 access to Buryatia so you can only get from Alaska to Soviet Far East quickly but not Buryatia, new SZ becames Beaufort Sea instead
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*practical tiny Trans-Jordon - border with Egypt can be moved west, its probably larger than necessary to show Eygpt control of canal, move border a bit west and we have you more room to put units

*India - your previous reason for not dividing India might be no longer valid between of the massive middle east split up

*close Altantic to Sahara - Rio De Oro extend North to prevent amphibious assault on Sahara from Altantic
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The problem with T-J is caused by the projection; this is a good effort at portraying it .  The thing that makes it look wrong is the absence of the gulf of Aqaba, and thus T-J having no Red Sea port (Aqaba). Leave Sinai as it is, it’s taken me long enough to persuade IL to put it in Egypt!

Just noticed that Indo-China is too far east, Hainan island was part of China.  Move the border west, but the top bit needs expanding to prevent a Burma-Kwangtung border.

Labia still incorrect spelling.

Nigeria should have a border with FWA OR move FWA/FEA border to correct place (further east).

What I’d like to see next is a full listing of IPC values.

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Redone ME with correct Greece border:

although looking again i should have moved the SZ border west to give Greece access to SZ 15

Eastfront without Moscow-in-Asia syndrome:

Poland truncated by necessity, 1939 border causes untidy East Prussia split.  This is in essence the part of Poland constituting the GGP under German rule.

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