German Naval Build Round 1

One of the profound challenges of maintaining a German navy is that the carriers you purchase create an extra zone that you need to protect with fighters. You might normally rely on those fighters in W. Europe to defend against a landing, for instance. And while the carriers extend your fighter range while sitting in the Baltic, if you need to move them out further then your fighters will likely no longer be able to help you trade land.

As the Allies, I wouldn’t focus entirely on trying to trash the German navy. My goal would be to try to contain the navy by combining defenses with the UK/US, each building 1 carrier with lots of transports, and maybe buy 1-2 fighters each. I would try to force the Germans to keep the fighters on their carriers and simultaneously threaten a landing in W. Europe, which will be easier to invade than normal due to both lack of fighters and additionally lack of land troops from the naval purchase. Russia should be mighty soon and take E. Russia/Balkans, at which point Germany would be a 22 IPC nation.

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First time I saw AC on G1, I thought: WTF!!!

Most important isn’t 5 trans or AC in baltic, it’s how u play the game….
It’s not that big difference, other matters are more important.
I’ve even won with axis when G bought BB! I was Jap though,
and the opponents where experienced players all of them.

A funny game that one, cause I mistakenly placed a trans and didn’t do pearl.
So US killed my lone trans and sailed to alaska.
By rnd 5 the allies failed to put enough pressure on G and I stacked novo, the rest is history :-)

But the G naval investment is all about securing land TT around the baltic, except Norway, when UK can hit 3-4 TT’s
G will be under psychological pressure, big time. And sooner or later G would probably hit the UK fleet in
suicide attack to kill some trannies, and this again can help G hold some valuable real estate for another rnd,
in tight games every little ipc counts.

In the past I used to alway buy an AC on G1. Now I try the AC stratgy with Germany, sometime, to being a little umpredictable and for trying a change in strategies.
Fighter that I use on the AC are the FIG tha usually a have in EE. A powerful German fleet, may be a “distraction” for the Allies.
The problem is that it may distract also the German player. Sometime I spend money also to buy TRN or even SUB, but this is a risky strategy that I try only when the dice smiled me, and I have had few losses.

However, from an allied point of view, I am happy when may friend buy an AC with Germany! They are about 5 less infantry and a very lighter pressure on Russian front.

@Jennifer:

The only thing an AC in SZ 5 does is force England and America to focus on Africa for two turns before sailing north with a large fleet to invade Norway/SZ 5 en-mass.

I’ve never seen it do much but end up getting a lot of Germans wet as the carrier sinks quickly to the bottom of the Baltic Sea/ Nord Sea

1 like the 2 trns better because it can move troops and not tie down 2 figs.

Germany has a choice when it comes to Navy…

Go heavy, or surrender the seas…

@ncscswitch:

Germany has a choice when it comes to Navy…

Go heavy, or surrender the seas…

The only time I can see otherwise is if Germany gets a bid of 8 and adds a tpt in the baltic
then buying a tpt on G1 is worth while.

If I get 8 IPC as Germany, the TRN will be in SZ14, or perhaps a SUB in SZ8…

If I get 8 IPC as Germany, the TRN will be in SZ14, or perhaps a SUB in SZ8…

I remember trying that lol. It was really funny to see Germany sailing into the heart of Africa along the west coast, and also Germany sinking the UK bb/tran + Russian sub in the other case lmao. It wasn’t terribly advantageous in the long run though in my experience, but I didn’t try it often enough to feel conclusive about it.

@ncscswitch:

If I get 8 IPC as Germany, the TRN will be in SZ14, or perhaps a SUB in SZ8…

I will not take axis for less than 8 ipc, the tripleA ladder rules says 9.
With 9 ipc it’s about 50-50 win/loss.
I guess most ppl play with axis bid down, I estimate axis bid below 6 means axis must be better player(s),
if then axis players manage to win games with any bid substantially below the 8-9 range.

Thanks Lucifer.  I must be a pretty good player then… I win 2 out of 3 games, and almost every game has been a bid of 8 or less (one as low as 4) :-D

@ncscswitch:

If I get 8 IPC as Germany, the TRN will be in SZ14, or perhaps a SUB in SZ8…

I used to think that too, until someone put the tpt in sz5 on me and I hated what it made me do for Russia round 1.

With 2 sz5 tpts, UK can be lost on G1.  I am not too happy giving Germany a 42% chance of taking out London.

Russia must take out Norway to kill a ftr and/or put 1 ftr in London.

There are other, BETTER, ways to prevent a G2 Sea Lion than either Norway or a Russian FIG to London; even against a MASSIVE number of German TRNs in SZ5.

Someone tried the sealion against me a few weeks ago, with 5 trans G1.
It’s not difficult to counter if you have calculated this scenario before.
Sealion didn’t happen this time, I lost because of other reasons, but this made me think
about possibillities that I didn’t know existed before that game.
I made several errors which helped me lose the game because I had not thought about what do if……?
I guess now I would be happy (as allies) if G bought 5 trans, 5 trans G1 will help Russia more than Germany.

5 TRN G1 are 10 INF and 2 TANK less for Germany
Sealion with 5 TRN is 10 Less infantry for Germany.
20 if LESS and 2 TANK Less on G2 is German ready to be assailed by Russia (alone!)

Then 5 TRN in G1 means Germany being assailed by Russia…. mmmm I dislike 5 TRN in G1! :-D

@ncscswitch:

There are other, BETTER, ways to prevent a G2 Sea Lion than either Norway or a Russian FIG to London; even against a MASSIVE number of German TRNs in SZ5.

who said G2?

I said Germanys FIRST turn

I dislike setting up my board to have the game determined by a dice roll on G1 that has a 38% chance of clearing London