Combined board (axis and allies advanced)

@all-encompassing-goose

The no IPC scenario should not be combined with free for all (rather, I haven’t tried it yet). What happened was Japan beat China with only a few ground units left, and the allied and Japanese fleets annihilated each other. The US was able to land in China though and worked with the Soviets to retake most of northeastern China by the end of the game. On the Eastern Front Germany and Italy waited for the Soviets to exhaust themselves. It was tough going at first but once the Soviets were broken they had almost nothing left to give.

Overall in this game whoever has the last unit wins, ground units were crucial and any mistake or bad luck is heavily decisive.

@LordPatrick thank you,
Also how do you do sieges and what benefits do forts give to defenders

Burma declare war against the allies.
Wang Jing Weis-China to.
Laos and Cambodja was independent states in august 1945.
Are this states axis?

Sorry I missed it. Thanks Guys.

@cminke:

why not?

I’m gonna buy more painted army factions and maybe the italian set of FMG

This is my first shot at an expanded naval system that I’m working on.

Note: Since different dice types are needed, I’m using the following notation for a shorthand: the type of dice (d6, d12, d20) etc. is immediately preceded by an “at” sign, a @ and the number you need to roll for a hit comes first.  Thus a ranking of a “3” on a d6 would be written as a 3@6, which is really the same as a “10” on a d20 (a 10@20) or a 6 on a d12 (a 6@12)

A. What you need:

1. To implement it, you would probably need a couple of things.  First, after carefully comparing all the options, I decided to base it on a d20, primarily, so you’ll need a 20-sider or two.  (They’re not hard to find, btw, in case you’re not familiar with them.)

2. Secondly, you’ll need a much wider array of ships, particularly the large ships, battleships, carriers, and possibly cruisers.  I have some few Skytrex & Navwar 1/3000 metals and Panzersciffe 1/2400 plastics.  After comparing them, I’m probably going to go with the latter, though note that you’ll need a pretty big board for them.  For the 1/3000, you could probably get away with the oob AA40 combined board or the AA50 board, but for 1/2400 you’ll probably need something the size of the TWG board or the larger version of the new GW1939 board (which you can get from HBG)

B. Key Rules:

1. Gunnery: Battleships and Cruisers each have 2 attacks, while Destroyers have only1.

a. Destroyer/ Secondary Armaments: 1 attack represents the secondary armament, which is roughly the same attack rank as that of a destroyer, which makes sense as guns that were the primary armament on a destroyer were often the same ones as those used as the secondary armament on a battleship or cruiser.  Thus battleship/ cruiser secondaries attack and defend (both) at a 7@20.  (To save time, however, you could also roll them with a 6-sider as a 2@6 or on a 12-sider as a 4@12, which allows you to roll both primary and secondary simultaneously, since a BB primary armament would always be rolled on a 20-sider.)  Destroyers have only 1 attack, at this same ranking.

b. Cruiser Primaries: A “standard” cruiser’s primary armament would be a 10@20, which also allows for much flexibility, as a 3@6 or 6@12 has the exact same 50% chance to hit, so any of these three could be used as a substitute.  A “standard” cruiser is defined as either a “heavy” cruiser, a “CA,” which technically means a cruiser with guns larger than 6” (usually 8”) or a “large light” cruiser, which was actually nearly as big as a heavy cruiser and carried a larger # of 6” guns.  Gunnery experts debated on the relative merits of these two types of “treaty” cruisers, but the rule of thumb is that with two cruisers with equivalent armor protection, 8 8” guns are roughly equal to 12 6” guns in firepower, all else being equal.

c. Battleship Primaries: This same relative power rule of thumb carries forward to battleships, in that 2-3 more guns of a given size roughly adds the firepower of the same # of guns an inch or so larger.  Thus, a 10x12” BB would pack about the same punch as an 8x13” BB and a 12x12” BB would be about the same as an 8x14.” With this proviso in mind, a normal (8-9 gun) BB’s attack/defense ranking for its primary armament is the same as the inch diameter on a 20-sider.  Thus, an 8-9 gun 12” BB would roll for a 12@20 for its primary, a 14” gun BB at a 14@20, a 15” BB at a 15@20, and a 16” BB at a 16@20.  The super-BB Yamato would then attack/defend with its primary armament at an 18@20, making it a formidable foe indeed!

2. Hits a ship can take: DD’s and CA’s can still only take 1 hit.  Most BB’s can take 2, and a few of the largest, most powerful ones can take 3.  I haven’t yet decided, however, where the cut-off point for a “Super-BB” that can take 3 hits would be.  The Yamato is a definite yes, along with the American Montana, its never-built direct American competitor of roughly the same size.  I’m leaning toward giving the 45,000 ton + BB’s the same 3-hit “Super-BB” status.  This would include the American Iowa, British Vanguard and German H-Class.  The next level down would be 40,000 tonners, the German Bismark and Italian Vittorio, which I’m leaning toward not giving the status, because if I do a very good argument can be made that the American South Dakota, British KGV and French Richelieu were just as formidable, despite being more faithful to the treaty limitations demanding that BB’s not exceed 35,000 tons… If I open it up this far, nearly all the original “standard” BB’s in the game would be 3-hit “supers.”

I still have many more thoughts in terms under-sea/submarine/ torpedo warfare and air/ carrier warfare, but I’ll save those thoughts for now, as this is already a long post, so I’ll send this out for any who are interested to take a look, digest and share their thoughts.

@Rorschach:

4 year old discussion people.  ;)

No doubt.  Doc Brown called, he wants his time machine back.

This map is huge 15 square feet wow I can use my Axis and Allies Miniatures for this game sweet. I wish, I fear I will never have enough planes though  :x

These rules are added on to the rules posted in the post with the maps and country cards
While setting this game up and trying to give it a realistic twist

National Advantages

Most of the advantages posted in the revised rules will work. This list has the not so compatible ones changed.
USSR-
Russian Winter AA-R
Non Aggresion treaty AA-R
Mobile Industry AA-R
Salvage AA-R
Tank Guards regiment-Tanks in the cities of Leningrad, Stalingrad, and Moscow defend on 4’s House rule
Lend Lease AA-R

Great Britain-
Radar AA-R
Joint Strike AA-R
Common Wealth Troops– Common Wealth Industrial complex’s produce 2 free Infantry during your mobilize new units phase Does not count against build limit this includes newly built complexes. Factories in Sydney And Calcutta Are the common wealth
Mid-East Oil  Cairo, Trans Jordia, Syria, Iraq, Iran,Southern Iran, Tehran,Upper Egypt AA-R
French resistance AA-R
Flying boats- Bombers may attack subs  without destroyer present  Bomber attacks on 3 or less. House rule

USA-
Liberty ships-transports now cost 6 IPC’s House rule
Marines AA-P
Mechinized Inf. AA-R
Fast carriers AA-R
Superfortresses AA-R
Lend Lease-- US units,( other then Infantry) May be converted at a I.C. to that country. This Includes ships In a sea zone bordering a Industrail complex. Max of 4 units per turn. House rule

Germany-
U-boat Program- Subs Cost 6 IPC’s House rule
Atlantik Wall- Infantry Defend on 3’s during an Amphibious onto a grey territory house rule excludes Afrika House Rule
Wolf Packs AA-R
V-2 Rockets- Fired from AA, Range 3  fired at Industrail complexes,  Max 1 rocket attack per turn per gun, On roll of 5, or 6, V-2 misses What ever is rolled on the other die, equal amount of IPC loss. House Rule
Panzer Blitz AA-R
Fortress Europe- African spaces don’t get bonus AA-R

Japan- all AA- Revised
Tokyo Expess
Kamikaze Attacks
Lightning Assaults
Dug in Defenders
Banzai Attacks
Kaitan torpedoes-- Kamikaze subs Hit on 4’s, does not need to be next 2 red territory.

Italy- I could use some help here. This is what I was thinking, you really can’t give them a ligitamate Nat’l advantage because the majority of there equipment was crap. Add that to the even crappier training there military overall recieved, backed by their puny production rate, I say give them MORE ships at start of game. Italy did have a rather large Surface fleet, bigger then Germany’s Maybe they get another BB and transport with there fleet. This would be their Nat’l. Advantage.

Tech Tree-
1. Jet Fighters
2. Super Subs
3. Long Range Aircraft
4. Heavy Bombers-- Cost 18 IPC’s Move 6,a4,4-d1, can carry two Paratroopers-- Heavy Airtransports, Cost 7 IPC, move 4 a0-d1 May move two paratroopers or Infantry
5. Combined Bombardment
6. Heavy Tanks  Cost 8 IPC, move 2, 4-4
7. Long Range Artillery- Defending Arty gets Prilimanary bombardment. 1 die per Def. Arty need to roll 1’s to hit. Attacking Artillery that is not performing a combat move may choose to support other units attacking adjoining territories. 1 arty per attacking unit.
A roll of a 1 is a hit  This is also a prliminary bombardment
8. Mechanized Infantry-Tanks may carry 1 Inf
9. Super Carriers- can carry 3 fighters
10*. Industrial Tech. Roll a d6, 1-2 Army 3-4 Navy 5-6*  Airforce IPC reduction in costs. Army- 1 Airforce- 2 Navy- 2 *Battleships -3
11. ParaTroopers/ Air transports-  Paratroopers- Cost 4 IPC, Move 1 attack 2 Defend 2  air transport
Airtransport cost 6 IPC move 4 a0,d1 may carry 1 paratrooper or 1 Inf.
12. Radar- May fire 2 AA that defend on a 2, 2 Die. 1AA = 1 die @ 2, 2AA = 2 Die @ 2, no more then 2 AA may fire from 1 Territory.
*

Other Rules That should be included

Japan gets it’s First Strike As per pacific Rules must be used first turn
Russia Can’t Attack it’s first turn unless attacked first, or maybe Germany gets a surprise attack against only  Russia, like japans
surprise attacks
US control over China be as similar to Pacific rules as you can, this includes builds, Or china can be it’s own country with a 9 IPC Starting income China goes simultanious with US player

Neutral countries British D-day Pieces
Italy Yellow Jap Pieces Revised- Italys Tanks were crappy and small also, and at least they are not fielding Shermans
AA guns- You can Have as many AA guns as you want per territory but gain the benifit of only having one. Only 1 AA gun per territory per turn may fire. This is also true for V-2 Rockets.

If you want utilize your new trucks that came with Battle of the bulge game,
Trucks- Cost 4 IPC’s  move 3 Attack 0 Defend 0  Transport 1 Inf. + 1 Arty or 1 Inf  Can be captured not destroyed If a territory is lost that contains a truck the new owner may immiediatly use the truck as it had not moved and was his at the begining of their turn. Passengers Dismount upon contact with the enemy and defend as normal. Trucks movement ends when something dismounts. Trucks can Load move load and move again

Also this map is perfect if you don’t neccassarily want russia involved right away, kinda like Xeno games world at war.Llots of possibilities with this set up

Russia collects Half their income until  war is declared on them or the 5th turn, then they are automatically at war  Can only attack neutral territories or chimese territories intil they are at war

Now any one got an idea for National Advantage’s for Italy or maybe china?