@DS:

He’s laid out the facts, and repeated them many times. If the other countries don’t want in on it, just say so.

Diplomacy takes time. Don’t get impatient. I would much rather have the US be prepared for war and it’s likely outcomes and consequences than to be bold and rash in action. Remember, Bush Sr. had to wait 6 months after Kuwait was conquered.

@DS:

Why should Bush waste anymore time and energy trying to convince other countries to join us?

And you would risk crippling relations of foreign policy over this?

Let’s face it, we really don’t NEED Candada or any other country with us to defeat Iraq. Militarily wise, we can defeat pretty much anyone.

It is true that we can pretty much “go it alone” in terms of military (Saddam’s military is in poor shape compared with 1991). However, what Bush needs more than arms is approval. If you are against the whole international community, then you are in sense on the same level as Saddam. Think about it.

@TG:

And you would risk crippling relations of foreign policy over this?

It won’t cripple foreign relations if we go it alone. None of the other countries really care if Saddam lives, they’re just trying to cover their own butts.

@Yanny:

President Bush is getting very desperate. Not only did he have nothing to say during his speech to the UN except citing a few old points, but he is now deliberately lieing to us, the American people.

This seemed to imply Bush was lying in front of the UN during his speech, not with his meeting with Blaire (which I’m unaware of that particular part).

None of the other countries really care if Saddam lives, they’re just trying to cover their own butts.

Regardless, I don’t think anybody wants US to become the big bully. US should be more of an eagle protecting others - not a hawk. By going against UN, show that US government only cares for itself and only listens to UN when it suits them.

@TG:

"Communism has never come to power in a country
that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both.

• John F. Kennedy, Speech, July 3, 1963, to NATO.

False! Please, get your facts straight!

You said it! Fill us in. - Xi

Oh, I forgot . . .
Blah blah :wink: blah, blah, blah blah :roll: blah blah blah. - Xi :P

@Deviant:Scripter:

TG Moses VI, Bush doesn’t need to get Congress’s approval if he wishes to attack Iraq. Therefore, it doesn’t really make a difference if Congress is devided.

A democratic state who can declare an (aggressive) war w/o democratic process? hmmm… scary!
Just imagine someone who is just slightly more nuts than G.W. …

@Xi:

Britain has been on board since day one. France and Germany are going slow since they have a large Muslim minority and want to avoid backlash as long as possible. The US accepts the responsibility to lead this time, as we did in Persian Gulf War I. I wish to thank Great Britain for leading patiently during WWI. The US was isolationist until July 8. 1941, but we had great teachers(GB, Winnie and Monty).

Oh my god.

Britain has not been with you since day one, but was the first to follow.
The reason for Germany and France to not follow you blindly is because we have eyes that are open to see.
The sentence about WWI and the US being isolationist have no common thread, unless WWI is a typo and should read WWII.

Xi and numbers aren’t friends.

@F_alk:

@Deviant:Scripter:

TG Moses VI, Bush doesn’t need to get Congress’s approval if he wishes to attack Iraq. Therefore, it doesn’t really make a difference if Congress is devided.

A democratic state who can declare an (aggressive) war w/o democratic process? hmmm… scary!
Just imagine someone who is just slightly more nuts than G.W. …

You better not be talking about me F_alk :evil:
mind you, no one believes i have GW’s power, so i guess that’ not really likely . . . :lol:

F_k,
It has been argued that the US Congress gave W the power by their Sept. 14, 2001 declaration in writing. It gave him the power to go after the terrorists. If he makes the connection, BAM . And before congress has to okay it it’s done. :D
However, W isn’t gonna play a Clinton. G.W. Bush will play nice-nice with the mean old Democrats. The Mean Old Democrats who demand to know how much the war will cost. The same MODs who gave Clinton the Get Out of Jail Free card on the Yugowar! No questions asked. The same MODs who won’t have hearings(and the law states that they must all have hearings) on President Bush’s judicial appointees. Oh, I’m sorry, a few did have hearings, but WEREN’T PUT UP FOR A VOTE! Akbv MODs playing politics, hoping to pull a double house victory in November! ZTVEL!

“You know the one thing that’s wrong with this country?
Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say.”

• William Jefferson Clinton
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  Excellence is a learned habit. - Xi

Britain with us? Tony Blair is with us. Show me a poll where more than 30% of the British people actually back an attack.

I think you are trying to skew statistics a little too much to your liking. I have seen the polls - and 71% oppose military action against Iraq (as you said) – however, there was one little fact that forgot to mentioned: unless it is endorsed by the UN. Obviously this changes the slant of things dramatically. Personally I would support an invasion by Bush without first the support of the Senate or the UN (again, this same thing happened in the “Newsweek Poll”).

France and Germany anywhere near helping us? Right.

Do you need their help? Probably not, though I think approval would be a step in the right direction. Again, I will say that heads of the French and German state want to ensure that any war has the UN seal of approval.

You wanna go after Terrorism? Check out Sudan.

I know this has been talked about as with Yemen, so I wouldn’t count it out.

And remember, Russia has Veto power in the UN. And just signed a huge trade deal with Iraq.

I know that Russian oil companies do have a vested interest in Iraq, though have not chosen to develop them until after the political situation is settled. Russian isn’t going to mess up its relationship with the US because of Iraq.

@Yanny:

Saddam is not a terrorist. Saddam is a dictator in a Sovereign. This war is about going after terrorists, not going after dictator in the world.

You wanna go after Terrorism? Check out Sudan.

The President of the United States made it crystal clear after 9/11 that we will make no distinction between terrorists and those countries harboring terrorists.

@Deviant:Scripter:

@Yanny:

Saddam is not a terrorist. Saddam is a dictator in a Sovereign. This war is about going after terrorists, not going after dictator in the world.

You wanna go after Terrorism? Check out Sudan.

The President of the United States made it crystal clear after 9/11 that we will make no distinction between terrorists and those countries harboring terrorists.

Yeah,
i really hope that someone who was blamed to be a terrorists sues the US for some trillion dollars:
that would beat one major US-“flaw” with another.

Ha! I smell myself a liberal! :D

There is no proof that Saddam is harboring terrorists? Would you bet your lunch money on that? :wink: You’d be wrong. There’s lots of evidence that shows connections between Saddam and al-Qaeda. I can show you if you’d like.

Secondly, John Kerry knows jack-shit about protecting our national security. Look at what he did during the Clinton administration. As a matter of fact, Colin Powell is now coming on board the plan.

Ok, take a look at this:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20020914_193.html

Bush is just Ultraconservative

Ha, I wish. Bush many be conservative, but not nearly as much as you make him out to be. If you want ultra, trying looking a Dick and Donald - and even I then I would considered them diehard ultras.

Hey, dudes!
Today’s news said Russia has softened its
“Don’t attack Iraq stance.” Heh heh.
UPDATE: Russia wants someone(I wonder who?) to pay the 8 billion(that’s thousand million, for those who use billion differently than we do in the USA :) ) $s that Iraq owes Russia.
As I said afore, France and Germany are coverin’ their sases :D .
They’l be a coupla the last to join, to show independence, but to
get credit for being in the fight.
(I bid 3 INF on LIB.) - Xi(purty dam shur)
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“About astrology and palmistry: they are good because they make
people vivid and full of possibilities. They are communism at its
best. Everybody has a birthday and almost everybody has a palm.”

• Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., novelist. “When I Was Twenty-One”,(1974).

Attaboy T_6, I knew you could do it(back to 12.15 ppd.)