We should not attack Iraq

@Anonymous:

@F_alk:

Two reasons:
(1) Because they are no terrorists before they attack …. you cannot punish a crime not yet done.
(2) If you have punished a crime once, you don’t punish it twice.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t Saddam already broken UN Sanctions that were set at the end of Desert Storm? That should be reason enough for punishment.

The one country with the most debts and no will to pay to the UN should attack? The one country that once more has defied the UN / human rights ( a guy in texas was killed/ capital punished, for a murder that he did/ would have done when he was 17 ! That is against internatiopnal law!).

If you Americans call to stop double standards against you…. then stop giving yourself double standards the other way round.
I know of at least two cases, where foreigners in the US were killed by the state (death penalized), without giving them the chance to speak to their embassies during or after the trials.
Just imagine this would happen to any USie in an arab state… you would howl and start your bombers the next instant!

I think the former Senator you all are referring to is Bob Kerry, Nebraska republican, I believe. If I recall correctly he has admitted that maybe he did kill some civilians while on a special ops mission, just to keep them quiet. And I think he got a bronze star for that mission. It’s been a while since that story was out, so I may have every detail wrong.

The callous, arrogant attitude of the warmonger rightwingnuts on this board is appalling. Iraq is not Grenada. It isn’t Panama. It not Afganistan, either. The reason George the First declared “victory” without ousting saddam probably had as much to do with the assured bloodshed that would have ensued as to do with geopolitical power balancing. Sure we mowed down the cannon fodder like so much wheat, but the republican guard was virtually untouched and ready to launch the real defense when hostilities stopped. I actually give Poppy Bush a lot of credit for knowing when enough was enough.

All this BS about what a threat Iraq poses to the US with all her WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION just confuses the hell out of me. So POTENTIAL use of WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION constitutes just cause to invade? We better start digging a moat, because not only is our nation armed to the fangs with all the worst weaponry imaginable, but we SELL the shit to just about any buyer. Some people deride the US for wanting to be the policeman to the world, but a better analogy is that we ARE the drug-dealing-cop to the world. We’ll feed and fuel your appetites and then use those same appetites to justify fucking you over at will. Saddam is example numero uno of this phenomenon. Saddam was a great US ally for years and years, funded and armed to the hilt by our freedom-loving nation (including the year he gassed his own people, people) until he showed the unmitigated audacity to launch an unprovoked attack on Kuwait. Who played who? It is arguable.

Call it what it will be - the Campaign Campaign. Bush will follow his usual Nixonian urges and fail to realize he’s already as popular and powerful politically as he can be, and destroy himself by overreaching. I detest W. I think he is displaying increasingly fascist tendencies, what with secret warrantless detentions of US citizens and his rampant crony capitalism. But at least I sense that even the most diehard, kneejerk rightwingnuts are starting to realize what they have wrought. Even my dad, a diehard, kneejerk republican had to wonder the other day “What in the world is Bush thinking, all this stuff about invading Iraq?” It gives me some hope that the American populace won’t permit the excesses suffered by German and Japanese and Russian people a half century ago.

guest-dude - that was beautiful.

@F_alk:

The one country that once more has defied the UN / human rights ( a guy in texas was killed/ capital punished, for a murder that he did/ would have done when he was 17 ! That is against internatiopnal law!).

What are you talking about? Please explain this Texas situation so we can understand it.

Deviant scripter,

@Anonymous:

@F_alk:

Two reasons:
(1) Because they are no terrorists before they attack …. you cannot punish a crime not yet done.
(2) If you have punished a crime once, you don’t punish it twice.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t Saddam already broken UN Sanctions that were set at the end of Desert Storm? That should be reason enough for punishment.

@Deviant:Scripter:

@F_alk:

The one country that once more has defied the UN / human rights ( a guy in texas was killed/ capital punished, for a murder that he did/ would have done when he was 17 ! That is against internatiopnal law!).

What are you talking about? Please explain this Texas situation so we can understand it.

It’s not that difficult.
You say: Let’s attack the Iraq, as they have broken UN rules.
I say: Who are you to judge, if you do the same and as frequently?

For the dude: look up the last 5 (just to be sure) dudes who were killed by the Texas government. Have a look how old they were when they committed the crimes they died for. Have a look at the rules of the UN about capital punishment.

Yanny said:

The US could care less if the UN existed or not.

THANK YOU YANNY! The day the U.N. is gone I am going to dance a jig. I am tired of a bunch of 3rd world mobsters condeming American and Israeli actions as they try to take my 2nd amendment rights.

We should all be thankful that the U.N. has no real power. The day they get real power is the day the 3rd world dictators have mor power than us.

F_alk, your information is mis-leading. Here are the actual facts. You fail to mention that those last 5 “juveniles” executed in Texas were not executed when they were under-age. Here are the facts:

Name: T.J. Jones
Executed: 8/8/02
State: Texas
Race: Black
Age Convicted: 17
Age Executed: 25
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Name: Napoleon Beazley
Executed: 5/28/02
State: Texas
Race: Black
Age Convicted: 17
Age Executed: 25

Name: Gerald Mitchell
Executed: 10/22/01
State: Texas
Race: Black
Age Convicted: 17
Age Executed: 33

Name: Shaka Sankofa (Gary Graham)
Executed: 6/22/00
State: Texas
Race: Black
Age Convicted: 17
Age Executed: 36

Name: Glen McGinnis
Executed: 1/25/00
State: Texas
Race: Black
Age Convicted: 17
Age Executed: 27

Can’t help but notice a common theme in those inmates.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the common theme running through those last five people. The more reasonable approach, however, would be to look at the crimes that they committed. I’m willing to bet that they’re not your casual shoplifter.

@Jazz:

The US will not be afraid to bomb civilian shields. It just won’t make the news.

LOL. That was a good one Yanny my man. To think that the Media wont cover civilian deaths is to think that the sky isnt blue. If an Iraq civilian gets a hangnail from U.S. bombing CNN will have 24 hour coverage for a week.

And to think that the U.S. Military holds no regard for civilian life is appauling. Did i spell appauling right?

In support of Yanny, one might check out this story filled by a Canadian reporter. I think that our news tends to be quite objective from most respects (especially the CBC) and is regarded quite highly, as are its journalists.
http://cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/correspondent_vernon/20020813.html

@Deviant:Scripter:

F_alk, your information is mis-leading. Here are the actual facts. You fail to mention that those last 5 “juveniles” executed in Texas were not executed when they were under-age. Here are the facts:

Name: T.J. Jones
Age Convicted: 17
–--------------------------
Name: Napoleon Beazley
Age Convicted: 17

Name: Gerald Mitchell
Age Convicted: 17

Name: Shaka Sankofa (Gary Graham)
Age Convicted: 17

Name: Glen McGinnis
Age Convicted: 17

My information is misleading?

No, you can’t read.

READ MY POST AGAIN !

@F_alk:

( a guy in texas was killed/ capital punished, for a murder that he did/ would have done when he was 17 ! That is against internatiopnal law!).

I never claimed that they were executed while underage, but executed for crimes they have committed when underage. That alone is against international laws.

LEARN TO READ !!!
Or ask CC to help you with your language, as he is eager to help us germans :) :)

Did anyone of you notice that the mexican president will not visit Texas in August because of the constant crimes Texas does?

@Jazz:

Yanny said:

The US could care less if the UN existed or not.

THANK YOU YANNY! I am tired of a bunch of 3rd world mobsters condeming American and Israeli actions as they try to take my 2nd amendment rights.

We should all be thankful that the U.N. has no real power. The day they get real power is the day the 3rd world dictators have mor power than us.

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHEMMMMMMMM

when i said…… “US independace day… who cares?” i got massively attacked here…

and this stands uncommented?

The day the USA is gone I am going to dance a jig.

should be enough… even though it’s not totally true…

@F_alk:

LEARN TO READ !!!
Or ask CC to help you with your language, as he is eager to help us germans :) :)

ahem.
not true.
willing to help - true.
eager - false.

F_alk said:

and this stands uncommented?

Yup, looks like it. I would think there would be people on this board who agree with me.

F_alk said:
The day the USA is gone I am going to dance a jig.

Now i find that mean and disturbing. I dont have a problem with the nations of the world. Just the United Nations the organization. I dont wish the countries to no longer be.

I do suppose that is the difference between conservatism and socialism or liberalism. We actually care.

@Jazz:

Yanny said:

The US could care less if the UN existed or not.

THANK YOU YANNY! I am tired of a bunch of 3rd world mobsters condeming American and Israeli actions as they try to take my 2nd amendment rights.

We should all be thankful that the U.N. has no real power. The day they get real power is the day the 3rd world dictators have mor power than us.

I don’t think I’ll comment on this; I can’t change conservative’s minds, they are beyond my help. And we all know what that means: Yes! the world is doomed!

Well to be fair I dont think that i represent all the conservatives when i said what i did about the U.N. Although I like to think that there are those who would agree with me.

But Bossk, to say the world is doomed just because of one crazy guys opinion (i.e. me lol) is just plain cookie.

But i do enjoy talking on the forums. Good form all.

I don’t like the U.N. the U.N. hates my religion and my country. It conducts “emergency mettings” to discuss the situation in Israel. God forbid that it condut an emergency meeting to discuss the Chinese occupations of Sinkiang, Tibet and Manchuria. That would mean that it’s a fair body, and that can’t be rue.