Christian Bible - Truth or Lies?

@Wild2000:

@Yanny:

The Bible is a collection of stories, and even I admit there are some really good stories in there, but like all stories, its still fiction.

The last time I checked, fiction does not turn into reality. Yanny, how do you explain the fulfilled prophesies of the OT?

Do you think the life of Jesus was made up? He has been shown to exist.

How are eyewitness accounts fiction?

well actully allot of Mein Kampfe took place and every thought that that was fiction when it first happend. u see the bible sateting that somethignw ill happen, when people beleive it they exepct it to happen and wait for it so when something comes along that resembles the prophecy they thik thats it. people beleive and see what they want to see or hear

I’m saying that if someone believes in the Christian/Jew/Muslim bible, they do not realise they believe in a slave pact.

@Anonymouswell:

A very good example of biblical prophesy being fulfilled is like having three major cities (Eg. L.A.; San Fran.; and San Diego).

The Bible lists the names of all three cities. It says City A will be destroyed and NEVER rebuilt again; City B will be destroyed, but will be rebuilt; and City C will not be touched. These are all major cities, just like major cities of today.

If it was left at that, you could say the odds are in the prophet’s favor of occurring. However, the prophesies go farther. They list HOW they will be destroyed and if the city is or is not to be rebuilt, it lists specific attributes about its remains.

When this is fulfilled, you think Christians are twisting history to fit a fulfillment?

This is the type of stuff that is in the Bible. Mein Kampfe does not have this precision or breath of fulfillment.

@Yanny:

I’m saying that if someone believes in the Christian/Jew/Muslim bible, they do not realise they believe in a slave pact.

How is the preaching of love for one another a slave pact. Your “God the facist” thing was already shot down. Why don’t you list your definition of a slave pact and show how Christianity fits into it?

Well I sure as hope LA isn’t City A :wink:
Anyways, what prophecies in the Bible have been fulfilled with such precision and accuracy at the particular date and time?

Someone who doesn’t see their God as a Facist Dictator in any of those 3 Religions are blinded by their faith. Do you think your God won’t flood the world for sin again? He did it once, and I bet you we are a hell of a lot worse than those people he flooded.

@Anonymous:

@Anonymouswell:

A very good example of biblical prophesy being fulfilled is like having three major cities (Eg. L.A.; San Fran.; and San Diego).

The Bible lists the names of all three cities. It says City A will be destroyed and NEVER rebuilt again; City B will be destroyed, but will be rebuilt; and City C will not be touched. These are all major cities, just like major cities of today.

If it was left at that, you could say the odds are in the prophet’s favor of occurring. However, the prophesies go farther. They list HOW they will be destroyed and if the city is or is not to be rebuilt, it lists specific attributes about its remains.

When this is fulfilled, you think Christians are twisting history to fit a fulfillment?

This is the type of stuff that is in the Bible. Mein Kampfe does not have this precision or breath of fulfillment.

That’s not proof of bible prophacy as far as I’m concerned.
Its an example of a self-fulfilling porphacy.

The bible says such and such a city will be destroyed and not rebuild, so people don’t rebuild the city….suddenly its a prophacy being fulfilled.

@Yanny:

Someone who doesn’t see their God as a Facist Dictator in any of those 3 Religions are blinded by their faith. Do you think your God won’t flood the world for sin again? He did it once, and I bet you we are a hell of a lot worse than those people he flooded.

I think someone who sees God as a Fascist Dictator in those same 3 religions is blinded by hate.
Also God promised he would not flood the world again. Also there are many more people who are faithful to God than there were back then. Also the nature of God’s relationship with the people of this earth has changed considerably over the last 5000 years.

I think someone who sees God as a Fascist Dictator in those same 3 religions is blinded by hate.

Fascist is maybe a little exagerated… but you must admit the concept of “those who don,t believe in me will have eternal punishment” is 10 time more horrible than what Hitler and Stalin have done.

Also God promised he would not flood the world again.

He is good, he will not make a second worldwide genocide :)

Seriously, you say that like he did flooded the world once :)

@FinsterniS:

I think someone who sees God as a Fascist Dictator in those same 3 religions is blinded by hate.

Fascist is maybe a little exagerated… but you must admit the concept of “those who don,t believe in me will have eternal punishment” is 10 time more horrible than what Hitler and Stalin have done.

Well, according to my religion, no one goes to hell for eternity. It is just a place where you go to cleanse the soul of any sins and then you go to heaven in the end.

@FinsterniS:

I think someone who sees God as a Fascist Dictator in those same 3 religions is blinded by hate.

Fascist is maybe a little exagerated… but you must admit the concept of “those who don,t believe in me will have eternal punishment” is 10 time more horrible than what Hitler and Stalin have done.

I thought we’d dealt with this (about 4 or 5 times . . . it’s getting tedious).
Those who don’t want to have a relationship with God don’t have a relationship with God.
Those who do, do.

I thought we’d dealt with this (about 4 or 5 times . . . it’s getting tedious).
Those who don’t want to have a relationship with God don’t have a relationship with God.
Those who do, do.

Those who did’nt follow hitler did not. And die
Those who did, did. And did’nt die (most…)

Those who did’nt follow God, have eternal punishment
Those who did follow god, have eternal joy…

Obviously, that is if god would exist…

Seem to me that, on that aspect, god is worse than our mortal tyrant. On that i agree with Yanny.

Fin

@Fin:

I thought we’d dealt with this (about 4 or 5 times . . . it’s getting tedious).
Those who don’t want to have a relationship with God don’t have a relationship with God.
Those who do, do.

Those who did’nt follow hitler did not. And die
Those who did, did. And did’nt die (most…)

Those who did’nt follow God, have eternal punishment
Those who did follow god, have eternal joy…

Obviously, that is if god would exist…

Seem to me that, on that aspect, god is worse than our mortal tyrant. On that i agree with Yanny.

Fin

but to an atheist, would eternal punishment not be an eternity with a God that you spent your entire life slamming?
And for a theist, would eternal joy not be an eternity with a God spent worshipping?
(conversely an atheist would prefer an eternity without God and a theist would be punished by an eternity without God).
This, to me, is the ultimate choice. We live our lives on earth as we will. We choose how to live, who to worship (or not), and ultimately we enjoy (or suffer) the consequences of our actions.
Of course using your analogy, any earthly authority might be seen as a tyrant - if i follow my bosses orders, i may keep my job, if i do not, i lose my job. If i kill another human i spend my life incarcerated, if i do not, then i am less likely to spend my life incarcerated. Certainly we make choices, and live or die, suffer or not, however we do not consider the enforcer of the consequences of these decisions tyrants, do we? The hot stove, the russian-roulette pistol, etc. Then why blame God for our decision to be or not to be with him? This is rather childish, but an attitude one might expect from a people continually looking to absolve themselves of any personal responsibility, as is the “epidemic” of our world.

Either way the Almighty will accept you. The hard part is whether or not you will accept him. I do not think anybody deserves eternal punishment.

but to an atheist, would eternal punishment not be an eternity with a God that you spent your entire life slamming?

I slam on him because he does not exist, because his follower are fanatic who cannot resist a litle rigor and logic, and when they speak of god they spread anti-scientific data and goes against logic. But if i slam on “him”, it is because HE DOES NOT exist, if god would exist, i would believe in him, if he was my creator, i would love him. So if he was real, and he is not, then i would’nt care spending eternity with him.

This, to me, is the ultimate choice. We live our lives on earth as we will. We choose how to live, who to worship (or not), and ultimately we enjoy (or suffer) the consequences of our actions.

You clearly does not understand something… it’s not like God was my father, and i choose to reject everything he teach me, it’s just that i think, more; i am persuaded more than lots of thing, that this is an illusion.

Of course using your analogy, any earthly authority might be seen as a tyrant - if i follow my bosses orders, i may keep my job, if i do not, i lose my job.

We will go with logic, i give an analogy, you make an argument ad absurdo (nothing wrong to that)… then i have to say the difference between your “deviant” analony and mine…

The difference are clear. Hitler was killing people because they did not think like him, God is sending into everlasting punishment those who do not think he exist or those who believe in other thing (i really believe a follower of Cernunnos would go to hell). You will lose your job if you don’t do your job ok or if you are not qualified, he will not; A; kill you, B; You will not be fired because you think something does not exist or because you are leftish…

Then why blame God for our decision to be or not to be with him? This is rather childish, but an attitude one might expect from a people continually looking to absolve themselves of any personal responsibility, as is the “epidemic” of our world.

I never blame God, how could i ?

I did not do anything wrong, i just believe in something your mythology does not accept, so i will get punishment… For obvious reason i don’t care, i just find that God is a monster… making a national genocide then menacing those who believe otherwise of hell.

**“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal”

• Matthew 25:46**

In the scenario where the theists are proven correct after my death and I’m standing before God - hopefully I’ll get points for staying true to my words and beliefs! Whatever punishment He comes up with - bring it on!!!

i dont know about u Feild Marshal but if i die and suddenly i see God right infront fof me i dont think i or ne other person cept u would say bring it on bitch. id be quite scared Shitless :)

@TM:

Either way the Almighty will accept you.

Almighty is a metaphor, isn’t it ?

DasEwokSS - Hey, I lived my life basically a good person, whatever lies ahead, let the cards fall. I don’t think I’d actually say “Bring it on, Bitch”, however. If He doesn’t like the fact I stayed true to my word, I suppose He’ll be forced to do His worst; I am prepared…(all this in theory, of course)…

God promised he wouldn’t flood the earth again, he’s omnipotent, theres no consequences for him breaking his promises.

I’m not blinded by Hate, your just predisposed to your faith. I jeer every Religion with an Omnipotent God, mostly all Monotheisisms.