some jobs give an amount of sick days per year. after you have used those up, dont get sick.
this is a good idea, b/c employees will always use the sick card to go do something fun for a day. you cant have employees doing that all the time. its bad for business, and then the employees get fired. this isnt france, where the employee can do nothing for a month and still not get fired. this is rational america, where we decided that you dont get any rewards/benefit from doing nothing.
@ncscswitch:
I get 6 weeks off per year (10 paid holidays, 5 sick days, 15 vacation days… 30 work days is 6 work weeks off).
How come you count sick days as your time off? Do you take 5 sick days every year?
That is what I have AVAILABLE.
You will note I said “take my VACATION” and “Try to not get sick”
Do you believe US citizens work hard enough to deserve vacation? Because your government doesn’t.
This is the problem with you Canucks/Euros – you think prosperity is something that can be legislated. Have you noticed that US unemployment is around 4.4% whereas France has been stuck above 9% for over ten years? Can you say EXCESSIVE GOVERNMENT REGULATION, anyone?
Generally, the government just makes problems bigger. Like President Reagan said, if a problem cant be solved, enlarge it.
this is a good idea, b/c employees will always use the sick card to go do something fun for a day.
Maybe this wouldn’t happen if they were given a reasonable amount of vacation time? We have sick days at my work too, but there is no set number that each employee is allowed to take. The managers and supervisors monitor it and if it looks like any employee is abusing the system those situations are addressed on an individual basis. I asked Switch about that because I would never include my sick days in the same list as my vacation & holidays. They are for a different purpose entirely.
I look at legislating vacation the same way I look at legislating minimum wage. Please tell me the US has a minimum wage?
@M36:
Generally, the government just makes problems bigger. Like President Reagan said, if a problem cant be solved, enlarge it.
Alzheimer’s is a hell of a disease…
Please tell me the US has a minimum wage?
yes it does a lowly $5 something an hour is fedaeral(like 5 and alf dollars canadian) but most states raise it in thier state, i’m pretty sure Conneticut is $7 something and they want ot raise it agian. but there are a few states that keep it at the bare minnimal( like georgia). I personally think minnimal wage shoud only be for full time employment and not part time.
Minimum wage in Connecticut is $7.55 an hour. You don’t find many jobs that actually pay that though, most employers pay at least eight.
Please inform me why a minimum wage is necessary again?
I’ll quote Jeff who posted this on another site:
In our blather about the minimum wage on both sides of the debate, shouldn’t we at least think about why there is a minimum in the first place?
As I recall, and I am not old ehought o have been there, the minimum was established by FDR as a means to guarantee the American worker an honest days pay for an honest days work. At that time, the Depression, many employers exploited their employees by making them work extremely long hours and shorting them pay. The migrants in California come to mind, along with many immigrant meatpackers in the city of Chicago.
This debate hinges on your view of the world today. Is it like 1933, or has it fundementally changed?
http://macroblog.typepad.com/macroblog/2006/12/modern_labor_ec.html
I’ll quote Jeff who posted this on another site:
In our blather about the minimum wage on both sides of the debate, shouldn’t we at least think about why there is a minimum in the first place?
As I recall, and I am not old ehought o have been there, the minimum was established by FDR as a means to guarantee the American worker an honest days pay for an honest days work. At that time, the Depression, many employers exploited their employees by making them work extremely long hours and shorting them pay. The migrants in California come to mind, along with many immigrant meatpackers in the city of Chicago.
This debate hinges on your view of the world today. Is it like 1933, or has it fundementally changed?
http://macroblog.typepad.com/macroblog/2006/12/modern_labor_ec.html
then why do people get paid the bare minnimal wage if we don’t need one?
in nebraska the wage is 5.15 thats low :cry:
but kids 14-17 dont need to be daddy money bucks at that age. they’ll use it on their mobile fornication vehicle, drugs, and booze. some food in there from time to time.
@M36:
Minimum wage in Connecticut is $7.55 an hour. You don’t find many jobs that actually pay that though, most employers pay at least eight.
Please inform me why a minimum wage is necessary again?
because without it than come a day when there is a glut of workers, then the US Army can offer peanuts and still be considered the most competative outfit out there for people who couldn’t/didn’t attend a college/university.
Federal minimum wage is currently $5.15 - it’s set to raise to $7.25 within a couple of years. This is good, considering it sat at $5.15 for some time.
Any state can obviously elect to have a higher minimum wage, but it can’t go below the federal standard.
Unfortunately, the minimum wage is still below a livable wage. People making this (and they aren’t just kids) little can’t afford many of the things necessary for themselves and families besides the basic food, clothing, housing…
It takes a heck of a lot of bad choices in life such that an adult would be orking for minimum wage; or for anyone to work for minimum wage for more than 3-6 months.
No job skills of merit, poor work ethic, lack of education… it pretty much takes ALL of those for an adult to be working for minimum wage.
@ncscswitch:
It takes a heck of a lot of bad choices in life such that an adult would be orking for minimum wage; or for anyone to work for minimum wage for more than 3-6 months.
No job skills of merit, poor work ethic, lack of education… it pretty much takes ALL of those for an adult to be working for minimum wage.
I disagree.
Much of it can be circumstantial.
Such as?
I will grant ONE excuse:
catastrophic physical injury/deformity caused by birth defect or accident over which the victim had no control.
Can you name any others? (beware, I am merciless when I start pointing out the bad choices in this type of discussion)
@ncscswitch:
Such as?
I will grant ONE excuse:
catastrophic physical injury/deformity caused by birth defect or accident over which the victim had no control.Can you name any others? (beware, I am merciless when I start pointing out the bad choices in this type of discussion)
mental disorders and shitty parenting.
I was lucky - i had good parents who didn’t mind being “the bad guy”. They made me do things i didn’t really feel like doing - like study instead of all-night-drinking-parties. They made me work to earn my own money for university etc. They spanked and praised me when i deserved it. They didn’t raise me while drunk, stealling stuff, or beating each other up. They didn’t let me do whatever i wanted. They didn’t drink/do cocaine when i was in utero (much). The called me on my bullshit.
I don’t often agree w/ BL, but he does have a point. A lot of parents raise their kids really really poorly, so these kids have a false-sense-of-entitlement, or they have no work-ethic, or they are psycho/sociopaths, or they have a mental illness/personality disorder. I know that often people can rise above this, and it kind of excites me to see it. But certain learned behaviours are “impossible” to unlearn and it is difficult to learn something that counteracts their previous learning which has become intuitive/instinctual/innate.
It’s not always a great excuse, but it is an important reason.
Even with bad parenting, the child IS exposed to other options. And it is their choice whether or not to embrace them.
Too many people break free of such bad situations for it to NOT be a choice whether or not to surrender yourself to that environment.
As for mental disorders:
I classify that as a birth type issue. And here I refer only to real and significant mental issues, not made up prescription selling schemes like ADD/ADHD
@ncscswitch:
Even with bad parenting, the child IS exposed to other options. And it is their choice whether or not to embrace them.
Too many people break free of such bad situations for it to NOT be a choice whether or not to surrender yourself to that environment.As for mental disorders:
I classify that as a birth type issue. And here I refer only to real and significant mental issues, not made up prescription selling schemes like ADD/ADHD
you do have a point with your first, but i think that welfare/minimum wage is for those for whom the fight is too desparate/difficult.
as for ADD - you really should know something about a subject before you say something like this. Which is to say that i disagree with you to the nth degree, i have done the genetic/biochemistry/PET scanning etc./epidemiology/pathophysiological/research, and people who say this kind of crap really piss me off. You don’t have any idea what these children and their parents (and teachers/siblings etc.) are going through. ADD is not a matter of bad parenting, or “something in the oatmeal”. This is a legitimate axis I disorder.
Mind you, i guess if you are a scientologist, then of course this mentality would apply to all of the mental disorders . . . . Also - you might want to specify “real and significant” - i think much of what is “unreal and insignificant” to you is very real and significant to many of my patients, their caregivers, and ultimately society.
@ncscswitch:
It takes a heck of a lot of bad choices in life such that an adult would be orking for minimum wage; or for anyone to work for minimum wage for more than 3-6 months.
No job skills of merit, poor work ethic, lack of education… it pretty much takes ALL of those for an adult to be working for minimum wage.
I’ll agree with you here. Barring a catastrophic event (amputee, mental disability, etc) any adult who is in a minimum wage job for more than 6 months is not making good choices.
The catastrophic events have safety nets to one degree or another so I don’t see the minimum wage as a significant issue for them. For example, the HOPE Foundation employees who sweep our parking lots and pickup trash off the beach are earing minimum wage but they are also collecting disability and SSI along with the living assistance that HOPE provides them. This is a more productive (and enjoyable?) life than being warehoused or at least it would seem so since they volunteer for this work to get out of the institutional environment.
In personal experience, even the lowest level of “skilled” labor is close to double the minimum wage and if you make it past the 90 day “provisional” point it goes up.
As for vacation, every company I have ever interviewed or worked for offered paid vacation to full-time employees. It was not 6 weeks worth in your first year but it was always at least two weeks and it was in addition to paid holidays and seperate from sick leave. Additionally, longevity at every company has increased the vacation allotment per year.
