Well, it’s about time I jump in here. YB - you get an “A” for time and effort.
Is our mere existence prove enough for God? We might be treading lightly here. It’s still an assumption based on faith. The one of many ultimate questions unanswerable and unprovable accredited to a diety.
There is no question that religion has helped in the creation of laws/moral codes/ethics. Is this proof of God? They are creations of the faithful humans who choose to improve society/civilization. However, the early endorsed moral codes were far from complete. Slavery is a good example. First it was shown to be uneconomical in certain areas, then later, shown to be immoral. This wasn’t until the 19th century! Some morals…
We view the Universe from our little planet with our limited science and technology. Anyone with the answers is suffering from misguided arrogance. Many answers to the Universe will remain outside human comprehension. Our increasing science will help us understand more and more over time, but the ultimate questions will still elude us.
Humans have created their view of the Universe. They have also throughout history, created their gods…
:lol:
There is no question that religion has helped in the creation of laws/moral codes/ethics.
Yea… a black and white moral code base on “revelation”… It help a lot…
by the way i was sarcastic…
There is no question that religion has helped in the creation of laws/moral codes/ethics.
Yea… a black and white moral code base on “revelation”… It help a lot…
by the way i was sarcastic…
no need to be sarcastic. It actually has helped many people and societies throughout time find a moral ground upon which to base their code, be it Jewish law, Athenian law, or even the Christian code that is held in some societies. Just because you see little use for it or any relevence, it is not necessary to knock the ways and beliefs of billions of people over hundreds of generations because Nietzsche said something quotable.
Congratulation ! You are the first i know from america who spell Nietzsche the rigth way. By the way, Nietzsche is not the only one who consider stupid the whole concept of “good” and “evil”, the only arguments about the whole concept are;
A; it’s in the Bible… woooooo pretty convincing
and…
B; “Common sence”, in that case a good excuse to be superficial.
Also his view on the judeo-christian ideololy in general was pretty accurate…
But even if he influence me a lot, i don’t consider myself a Nietzschean, i am a “me”, and i don’t think Nietzsche would be really happy to see all these Nietzschean…
Become what you are…
“Congratulation ! You are the first i know from america who spell Nietzsche the rigth way.”
I problem isn’t spelling “Nietzsche” but pronouncing it, very tough for even I to do.
That Nietzsche – pretty clever guy, I’ll give him that much at least. :wink:
“Woman was God’s second mistake.”
“Plato was a bore.”
“Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal.”
Congratulation ! You are the first i know from america who spell Nietzsche the rigth way. By the way, Nietzsche is not the only one who consider stupid the whole concept of “good” and “evil”, the only arguments about the whole concept are;
A; it’s in the Bible… woooooo pretty convincing
and…
B; “Common sence”, in that case a good excuse to be superficial.Also his view on the judeo-christian ideololy in general was pretty accurate…
But even if he influence me a lot, i don’t consider myself a Nietzschean, i am a “me”, and i don’t think Nietzsche would be really happy to see all these Nietzschean…
Become what you are…
Aactually, CC is Canadian :lol:
i said “from America”, from the continent, not the country…
@Mr:
Congratulation ! You are the first i know from america who spell Nietzsche the rigth way. By the way, Nietzsche is not the only one who consider stupid the whole concept of “good” and “evil”, the only arguments about the whole concept are;
A; it’s in the Bible… woooooo pretty convincing
and…
B; “Common sence”, in that case a good excuse to be superficial.Also his view on the judeo-christian ideololy in general was pretty accurate…
But even if he influence me a lot, i don’t consider myself a Nietzschean, i am a “me”, and i don’t think Nietzsche would be really happy to see all these Nietzschean…
Become what you are…
Aactually, CC is Canadian :lol:
Thanks Mr. Ghoul. And proud of it (thanks to innovative beer commercials, at the very least).
Also, The Bible did put things into perspective for people. It used to be a life for an eye, but then Moses came along and made things a little more rational - an eye for an eye. Jesus, of course, came along and upset the whole thing with “turn the other cheek - if someone sues you for your coat, give him your shirt, pray for those who persecute you” - not very convenient or worldly concepts - certainly designed to turn codes of laws on their ear.
i said “from America”, from the continent, not the country…
Saying “from America” is going to have one assume you are refering to the U.S.A.
Next time, just throw a N in front of “America” :lol:
@cystic:
@Mr:
@cystic:
@Mr:
I was being light hearted :lol:
I belive worshipping a higher being to give reason to one’s life is “dumb”
Living and life just is, at least that’s my take on it.
Does there have to be a purpsoe for or exsitance?
ummm I really dont mean to suggested anyone is “dumb” as in not smart or intelligent…. I guess I just dont understand the point behind it.
Maybe im dumb?..uh no :lol:
i actually do not worship a higher being to give reason to my life. I’m sure there are a lot of religious people who do. I wonder if i was even more active in worship if the reason to my life would become more clear, or a greater purpose might stand out.
no, i worship because i know i should. Because i’m told to in a way that the bible and my parents don’t tell me to.You “should” worship?
If you dont mind my asking, why should you worship God or anything at all?
Is God asking for your worship?I don’t mind you asking. It is a little hard to explain to a non-believer tho’. Basically i believe that God created everything, has a plan for my life of some kind, cares about me, and i believe that Jesus died for me. I also believe that much of what i am and have is a result of what God has given and done for me. It sounds pretty simple, but we thank God for what he’s done, we praise God for what he is (powerful, good, etc.) - and that is worship.
I think God does ask for worship - at least at a basic level - i.e. prayer. That’s another thing i like about Christianity (particularly post-reformation Christianity) is the idea that God wants to communicate with us. I believe that when i pray, i am talking to my creator and guide, and that God responds.
Obviously it’s not very scientific, and an atheist could certainly think of many possibilities refuting that any of this actually happens, but the fact is that i feel/believe/know that it happens. Even if it isn’t happening, it does add something to my life - makes it more full than my life might be otherwise. I feel less alone, and that someone cares, and i also feel “directed” and yet i have not been diagnosed with anything yet.
Sorry if a little long-winded. hope you don’t think i’m nuts.
I’ve been hard on religion just for kicks, but I have not experienced anything in life to suggest there is a God.
I do belive that if praising a God makes you a better person than thats something thats worth doing.
@Mr:
@cystic:
@Mr:
@cystic:
@Mr:
I was being light hearted :lol:
I belive worshipping a higher being to give reason to one’s life is “dumb”
Living and life just is, at least that’s my take on it.
Does there have to be a purpsoe for or exsitance?
ummm I really dont mean to suggested anyone is “dumb” as in not smart or intelligent…. I guess I just dont understand the point behind it.
Maybe im dumb?..uh no :lol:
i actually do not worship a higher being to give reason to my life. I’m sure there are a lot of religious people who do. I wonder if i was even more active in worship if the reason to my life would become more clear, or a greater purpose might stand out.
no, i worship because i know i should. Because i’m told to in a way that the bible and my parents don’t tell me to.You “should” worship?
If you dont mind my asking, why should you worship God or anything at all?
Is God asking for your worship?I don’t mind you asking. It is a little hard to explain to a non-believer tho’. Basically i believe that God created everything, has a plan for my life of some kind, cares about me, and i believe that Jesus died for me. I also believe that much of what i am and have is a result of what God has given and done for me. It sounds pretty simple, but we thank God for what he’s done, we praise God for what he is (powerful, good, etc.) - and that is worship.
I think God does ask for worship - at least at a basic level - i.e. prayer. That’s another thing i like about Christianity (particularly post-reformation Christianity) is the idea that God wants to communicate with us. I believe that when i pray, i am talking to my creator and guide, and that God responds.
Obviously it’s not very scientific, and an atheist could certainly think of many possibilities refuting that any of this actually happens, but the fact is that i feel/believe/know that it happens. Even if it isn’t happening, it does add something to my life - makes it more full than my life might be otherwise. I feel less alone, and that someone cares, and i also feel “directed” and yet i have not been diagnosed with anything yet.
Sorry if a little long-winded. hope you don’t think i’m nuts.I’ve been hard on religion just for kicks, but I have not experienced anything in life to suggest there is a God.
I do belive that if praising a God makes you a better pers
on than thats something thats worth doing.
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@F_alk:
Try something like
Neets-she(d)
the “she(d)” means you say “shed”, but drop the final “d” (to get the “e” pronounced right)
That’s close enough :)
Danke :)
@CC:
It used to be a life for an eye, but then Moses came along and made things a little more rational - an eye for an eye.
I said that? I must’ve been quite the character back in the day. But for a non-Christian, I must say that “The Ten Commandments” does rank as one of the ten best movies of all time. The Bible could use more Hollywood in it
If you have difficulty in believing in a God, then leave the city at night, get out of your car, and look up.
I see a beautiful and immense universe. I would be blind and arrogant, to think an “intelligence being” create the earth and my own race in his own image… those who think only intelligence can breed/bring order are reductionist.
And please don’t say i have not the “eye” to see god, that is too easy, i had perfectly the “eye” to see god, and i have done a lot of things that make me laugh now, but with logic i reject god.
Why did god give me an Appendix or my Spleen then? Why didn’t god make Humans until roughly, 4,000,000,000 years into earth’s history? Why did God make Humans evolve from Apes?
Why did god give me an Appendix or my Spleen then? Why didn’t god make Humans until roughly, 4,000,000,000 years into earth’s history? Why did God make Humans evolve from Apes?
both somewhat handy organs - the spleen, especially.
maybe God didn’t make Humans until roughly x years ago because God didn’t feel like it, or because - like a cake in the oven - these developments with this complexity take time.
Maybe God made Humans evolve from apes as that seemed to be the best plan?
And FinsterniS - i’ve already told you that i’m arrogant - if not blind - to think that an intelligent being created the earth. Although i’m humbled when i think about the idea of God - so i have trouble putting the “arrogant” thing together with acknowledging a greater being.
And yes, i am a bit of a reductionist - it helps keep my life simple.
And FinsterniS - i’ve already told you that i’m arrogant - if not blind - to think that an intelligent being created the earth. Although i’m humbled when i think about the idea of God - so i have trouble putting the “arrogant” thing together with acknowledging a greater being.
Acknowledging a greater thing that make us in his own image, give only to us a soul, give us a greater purpose, claim that we were the master of the animal kingdom… It does not sound arrogant to you ? If only there was something to support it, it could be realistic, but it is clearly a fantasm. A weak tool to give ourself a higher purpose in life
Also i have a question; god “give us a purpose” in life, but what of the animals ?
The purposes will vary slightly from belief system to belief system. Writings such as the Judeo-Christian Bible and/or the Moslem Koran will in of themselves have more of a noble purpose. Peace, prosperity, fertility, brotherhood, to name a few. However, later human interpretations of these early books will usually loose the original meanings. Influenced by the current governmental systems in charge; purposes such as conquest, conversion (religious), territorial expansion; are added to the list. If Jesus saw what we were doing in his name after 2000 years, he’d spin in his grave fast enough to power New York City! (Theoretically of course, the Christians believe he rose into Heaven).
The purpose for animals, you know the answer - TO SERVE MAN…
Why? This I answered in the “Religion” thread topic…
So animals have no souls? What about doggie heaven? :wink: :cry:
