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Christians themselves can’t even agree.
Neither can evolutionists. Strange thing is that evolution is based on “hard, undeniable evidence.”
Nothing strange, evolution is based on undeniable evidence, they are just looking how it happen.
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well, they look at the “evidence”, sift through it, and ask “what might cause all of this to happen”? They then issue a series of “best guesses” - hypotheses, if you will, that is reiterated so often as to become considered fact. Certainly there is “evidence” - all over the place. The question is what is it evidence of? Certainly it might be applied to evolution, there is little question that it seems to fit. One might suggest the same of intelligent design however, as opposed to a random series of mutations. I’d say the evidence is just about as hard in either case.
Certainly there is “evidence” - all over the place. The question is what is it evidence of?
evidence of evolution, evidence the young earth creationist are stuck in time. If we look at bacteria; they breed faster than us and they change faster too, virus change very fast, they evolve. Also the dinosaur are a very great pain to those who believe the earth was created 10 000 years ago… (note that their explication is very funny).
If you believe evolution occur, but with the help of god, well that’s a little more coherent, but there is a logico-empirical problem in the reasonning, also a good exemple of the incapacities of the human mind to conceive that intelligence is not the only designer. And the “evey design need designer” argument can be refute by every design we understand… a mountain, a star, a snowflake… The earth itself.
If you believe evolution occur, but with the help of god, well that’s a little more coherent, but there is a logico-empirical problem in the reasonning, also a good exemple of the incapacities of the human mind to conceive that intelligence is not the only designer. And the “evey design need designer” argument can be refute by every design we understand… a mountain, a star, a snowflake… The earth itself.
I prefer the “every design MAY HAVE a designer”. For the mountain and snowflake, i believe it’s entirely possible (and likely) that the laws that governed their creation were set forth circa creation. The same might apply to the star, the galaxy, etc. for the sun is a very handy star - the appropriate amount of radiation eminates from it in order to support life without killing it. Very lucky we are to have that star, indeed. Mind you, if we didn’t have it, then luck would not be a factor.
Everything design we understand have no designer. Also for Mountain and snowflake, i really don’t understand the need of a designer, you are adding the concept just because it caution your believe, there is no reason to believe that.
About the “sun is at the right place” argument, if it where not at the right place, we would’nt be there to question how it was at the right place, i mean if you roll 10 time a dice with 6 face and you chosse that you will have a baby only if you get 10 time 6, then you roll. There is only 1/(6^10) chance you wil have a baby, if you don,t get 10 time 6, you won’t have a baby so he won’t question anything.
Also if you take all suns and all planet, the probability there is planet at the right place is high, also maybe there is a physical explanation why there is a planet at this place, and if not; there is a probabilictic explanation, so i don,t see anything special in it.
The Evolutionary Theory is incomplete for 3 reasons.
The fact that the Fossil Record is incomplete, due to the nature of the record your going to have a lot of holes in the record.
Time. Its barely been over 100 years since the theory of Evolution was concieved by Darwin.
Religious Conservatism. People cannot accept the truth.
My Veiw on Religeon is kinda like this. Think of Life as an Algebraic expression. Science would be like Numbers that weve figured out alrdy and Religeon is like the Variable. in short that is my veiw. and i do not Believe in God. i think it is possible for the SuperNAtural to Exist but i do not think it is involved with god Cus God isnt Real :)
Well, it’s about time I jump in here. YB - you get an “A” for time and effort.
Is our mere existence prove enough for God? We might be treading lightly here. It’s still an assumption based on faith. The one of many ultimate questions unanswerable and unprovable accredited to a diety.
There is no question that religion has helped in the creation of laws/moral codes/ethics. Is this proof of God? They are creations of the faithful humans who choose to improve society/civilization. However, the early endorsed moral codes were far from complete. Slavery is a good example. First it was shown to be uneconomical in certain areas, then later, shown to be immoral. This wasn’t until the 19th century! Some morals…
We view the Universe from our little planet with our limited science and technology. Anyone with the answers is suffering from misguided arrogance. Many answers to the Universe will remain outside human comprehension. Our increasing science will help us understand more and more over time, but the ultimate questions will still elude us.
Humans have created their view of the Universe. They have also throughout history, created their gods…
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There is no question that religion has helped in the creation of laws/moral codes/ethics.
Yea… a black and white moral code base on “revelation”… It help a lot…
by the way i was sarcastic…
There is no question that religion has helped in the creation of laws/moral codes/ethics.
Yea… a black and white moral code base on “revelation”… It help a lot…
by the way i was sarcastic…
no need to be sarcastic. It actually has helped many people and societies throughout time find a moral ground upon which to base their code, be it Jewish law, Athenian law, or even the Christian code that is held in some societies. Just because you see little use for it or any relevence, it is not necessary to knock the ways and beliefs of billions of people over hundreds of generations because Nietzsche said something quotable.
Congratulation ! You are the first i know from america who spell Nietzsche the rigth way. By the way, Nietzsche is not the only one who consider stupid the whole concept of “good” and “evil”, the only arguments about the whole concept are;
A; it’s in the Bible… woooooo pretty convincing
and…
B; “Common sence”, in that case a good excuse to be superficial.
Also his view on the judeo-christian ideololy in general was pretty accurate…
But even if he influence me a lot, i don’t consider myself a Nietzschean, i am a “me”, and i don’t think Nietzsche would be really happy to see all these Nietzschean…
Become what you are…
“Congratulation ! You are the first i know from america who spell Nietzsche the rigth way.”
I problem isn’t spelling “Nietzsche” but pronouncing it, very tough for even I to do.
That Nietzsche – pretty clever guy, I’ll give him that much at least. :wink:
“Woman was God’s second mistake.”
“Plato was a bore.”
“Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal.”
Congratulation ! You are the first i know from america who spell Nietzsche the rigth way. By the way, Nietzsche is not the only one who consider stupid the whole concept of “good” and “evil”, the only arguments about the whole concept are;
A; it’s in the Bible… woooooo pretty convincing
and…
B; “Common sence”, in that case a good excuse to be superficial.Also his view on the judeo-christian ideololy in general was pretty accurate…
But even if he influence me a lot, i don’t consider myself a Nietzschean, i am a “me”, and i don’t think Nietzsche would be really happy to see all these Nietzschean…
Become what you are…
Aactually, CC is Canadian :lol:
i said “from America”, from the continent, not the country…
@Mr:
Congratulation ! You are the first i know from america who spell Nietzsche the rigth way. By the way, Nietzsche is not the only one who consider stupid the whole concept of “good” and “evil”, the only arguments about the whole concept are;
A; it’s in the Bible… woooooo pretty convincing
and…
B; “Common sence”, in that case a good excuse to be superficial.Also his view on the judeo-christian ideololy in general was pretty accurate…
But even if he influence me a lot, i don’t consider myself a Nietzschean, i am a “me”, and i don’t think Nietzsche would be really happy to see all these Nietzschean…
Become what you are…
Aactually, CC is Canadian :lol:
Thanks Mr. Ghoul. And proud of it (thanks to innovative beer commercials, at the very least).
Also, The Bible did put things into perspective for people. It used to be a life for an eye, but then Moses came along and made things a little more rational - an eye for an eye. Jesus, of course, came along and upset the whole thing with “turn the other cheek - if someone sues you for your coat, give him your shirt, pray for those who persecute you” - not very convenient or worldly concepts - certainly designed to turn codes of laws on their ear.
i said “from America”, from the continent, not the country…
Saying “from America” is going to have one assume you are refering to the U.S.A.
Next time, just throw a N in front of “America” :lol:
@cystic:
@Mr:
@cystic:
@Mr:
I was being light hearted :lol:
I belive worshipping a higher being to give reason to one’s life is “dumb”
Living and life just is, at least that’s my take on it.
Does there have to be a purpsoe for or exsitance?
ummm I really dont mean to suggested anyone is “dumb” as in not smart or intelligent…. I guess I just dont understand the point behind it.
Maybe im dumb?..uh no :lol:
i actually do not worship a higher being to give reason to my life. I’m sure there are a lot of religious people who do. I wonder if i was even more active in worship if the reason to my life would become more clear, or a greater purpose might stand out.
no, i worship because i know i should. Because i’m told to in a way that the bible and my parents don’t tell me to.You “should” worship?
If you dont mind my asking, why should you worship God or anything at all?
Is God asking for your worship?I don’t mind you asking. It is a little hard to explain to a non-believer tho’. Basically i believe that God created everything, has a plan for my life of some kind, cares about me, and i believe that Jesus died for me. I also believe that much of what i am and have is a result of what God has given and done for me. It sounds pretty simple, but we thank God for what he’s done, we praise God for what he is (powerful, good, etc.) - and that is worship.
I think God does ask for worship - at least at a basic level - i.e. prayer. That’s another thing i like about Christianity (particularly post-reformation Christianity) is the idea that God wants to communicate with us. I believe that when i pray, i am talking to my creator and guide, and that God responds.
Obviously it’s not very scientific, and an atheist could certainly think of many possibilities refuting that any of this actually happens, but the fact is that i feel/believe/know that it happens. Even if it isn’t happening, it does add something to my life - makes it more full than my life might be otherwise. I feel less alone, and that someone cares, and i also feel “directed” and yet i have not been diagnosed with anything yet.
Sorry if a little long-winded. hope you don’t think i’m nuts.
I’ve been hard on religion just for kicks, but I have not experienced anything in life to suggest there is a God.
I do belive that if praising a God makes you a better person than thats something thats worth doing.
@Mr:
@cystic:
@Mr:
@cystic:
@Mr:
I was being light hearted :lol:
I belive worshipping a higher being to give reason to one’s life is “dumb”
Living and life just is, at least that’s my take on it.
Does there have to be a purpsoe for or exsitance?
ummm I really dont mean to suggested anyone is “dumb” as in not smart or intelligent…. I guess I just dont understand the point behind it.
Maybe im dumb?..uh no :lol:
i actually do not worship a higher being to give reason to my life. I’m sure there are a lot of religious people who do. I wonder if i was even more active in worship if the reason to my life would become more clear, or a greater purpose might stand out.
no, i worship because i know i should. Because i’m told to in a way that the bible and my parents don’t tell me to.You “should” worship?
If you dont mind my asking, why should you worship God or anything at all?
Is God asking for your worship?I don’t mind you asking. It is a little hard to explain to a non-believer tho’. Basically i believe that God created everything, has a plan for my life of some kind, cares about me, and i believe that Jesus died for me. I also believe that much of what i am and have is a result of what God has given and done for me. It sounds pretty simple, but we thank God for what he’s done, we praise God for what he is (powerful, good, etc.) - and that is worship.
I think God does ask for worship - at least at a basic level - i.e. prayer. That’s another thing i like about Christianity (particularly post-reformation Christianity) is the idea that God wants to communicate with us. I believe that when i pray, i am talking to my creator and guide, and that God responds.
Obviously it’s not very scientific, and an atheist could certainly think of many possibilities refuting that any of this actually happens, but the fact is that i feel/believe/know that it happens. Even if it isn’t happening, it does add something to my life - makes it more full than my life might be otherwise. I feel less alone, and that someone cares, and i also feel “directed” and yet i have not been diagnosed with anything yet.
Sorry if a little long-winded. hope you don’t think i’m nuts.I’ve been hard on religion just for kicks, but I have not experienced anything in life to suggest there is a God.
I do belive that if praising a God makes you a better pers
on than thats something thats worth doing.
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