Just some skirmishes…
Hi,
Sorry, I’ve been MIA. Thanks for the responses. FinsterniS is correct in intepreting what I was trying to say. To summarize and beat the dead horse one more time:
There is evil in the universe not created by man (i.e., earthquakes, etc.)
There is evidence that such evils are not a necessary requirments for the existence of earth. (i.e., its possible to concieve of an earth free of earthquakes.)
If God exists, and he is all powerful and good, then why would he create an earth with evil traits?
God is either not all powerful, or not good.
Sorry, if my argument is clumsy its been a long time since I studied formal reasoning, and I haven’t been practicing it as much I probably should in day to day life :oops:
Earthquakes are not evil
Death is not evil. Death happens, we can’t live forever. Something uncontrollable is not evil, it just is not a great thing to have around.
Why would this Omnipotent God allow the Devil to exist?
Earthquakes are not evil
Death is not evil. Death happens, we can’t live forever. Something uncontrollable is not evil, it just is not a great thing to have around.
These things are not evil only if they do not have a creator/agent. God as the creator of the universe is responsible for all deaths caused by natural disasters. He is guilty of mass murder or at the very least manslaughter.
Why would this Omnipotent God allow the Devil to exist?
He wouldn’t.
Ok, then I declare my offical Religion Jedi. Its regonized in Australia as an offical religion with 78,000 members.
actully its Britain mate ;)
Earthquakes certainly pre-date humanity. I don’t see how they can be considered “evil” on this point. Only by human bias can they be considered evil.
Why does God allow the Devil to exist? He’s on the payroll…
Evilness reqires intent by definition
IF “evil” really exist…
I find this rather amusing how often Americans are using these concept (Good and Evil), without considering how subjective they really are.
IF “evil” really exist…
I find this rather amusing how often Americans are using these concept (Good and Evil), without considering how subjective they really are.
interesting. Germans, however, a more superior culture, views the world in much more objective terms whereby “evilness” is more relative? If history did not already prove this concept so horrifying, i might be amused by it as well.
mind you, i’m not an American. . . .
@cystic:
IF “evil” really exist…
I find this rather amusing how often Americans are using these concept (Good and Evil), without considering how subjective they really are.
interesting. Germans, however, a more superior culture, views the world in much more objective terms whereby “evilness” is more relative? If history did not already prove this concept so horrifying, i might be amused by it as well.
mind you, i’m not an American. . . .
Being a german does not make me inapt to make critic as far as i know. Also I never said German culture was superior and you know that. I just oberve two thing;
The concept of “good” and “evil” is very present in the American culture. Not because they are idiot or ignorant, it’s just from their culture.
These concept are subjective, they have no real objective valor. Dirrefent culture, different people will call different thing “evil” and “good”.
About german history i would say that Nazism is the perfect exemple of a Black & White ethic, Jew are “evil”, Aryan are “good”. Just like empty statement like “sex is evil”, “passion are evil”, “communism is evil”, “muslim are evil”, “america is the great satan”….
Americans have no objective valor, you must be living in France…
@Field:
Americans have no objective valor, you must be living in France…
i know there’s a reason i find this comment so funny :D
Well, “Good” and “Evil” is all about point of view. One side sees the other side as Evil and themselves as Good. The other side sees themselves as Good and the other as evil. Check out WWII propoganda, from both sides, and you’ll see what I mean.
America views Iraq as evil…
Iraq views America as evil…
Nah, more like America views Saddam as “evil.”
I dont know what youve been talking about but I dont belive in god, and you should make it a poll (edit the first post)
Ignorance of another culture is the first step towards fear and hate is the first step towards war.
For some Americans, this is true. This is why I say America views Iraq as evil. Saddam or no Saddam won’t matter when Americans start dying in an Iraqi conflict…
Quote from F_alk “Ignorance of another culture is the first step towards fear and hate is the first step towards war.”
OK there Yoda
For some Americans, this is true. This is why I say America views Iraq as evil. Saddam or no Saddam won’t matter when Americans start dying in an Iraqi conflict…
What can I say, some people are idiots? Hopefully the President won’t spew false lies on how “Evil” the Iraqi people are. There wasn’t that much hate against Muslims after 9/11 (where I live), so I’m not sure there will be much now against Iraqis. :-?
