Air Force

I should clarify, Germany and Japan do not need to BUY fighters, as they start with 6 already.  I’m not saying they should feel free to leave them where enemy infantry can destroy them. :P

And yes, there are times I use KJF.  No one is ever ready for it and almost no one can defend against it because they are neither ready for it nor experienced in dealing iwth it.  Some have said it is very easy to defend against, and I’m sure when the game was new it was, since no one knew how to implement it either.  But times have changed and it has become a very viable and logical strategy.  In fact, I would actually recommend this as a route for first time players of Axis and Allies because of the simplicity of hitting Japan first and then hitting Germany.  It is much more dynamic to hit Germany.

For instance:  KJF:  You take islands with England and America and then take the mainland with England.  Russia stalls Germany.

KGF: You invade W. Europe OR you land in N. Europe to support Russia OR you walk through Africa OR you combine two of those avenues.

1 method vs 4 methods.  Which is an easier concept for a beginner to understand?

Likewise, just for the shear desire to have a different game, KJF is fun!  I mean, who wouldn’t have fun actually buying a battleship for once!  Who wouldn’t have fun watching a combined value of 600 IPCs sink to the bottom of the board in a single engagement!

Is it possible to find all that excitement on YouTube? Maybe someone can tape their game and show that happening!

“Oh my look, the Yamato and all her escorts just sunk to the bottom of the paper floor.  Hurray!”

I believe the History Channel did that, you know, Taffy 7 vs the Japanese Center Force?

heheh.

Seriously, next time I promise to tape it.  I might even play at GenCon and see if I can foster it.  Though, you’d have to ask JSP how much he enjoyed it when my Japanese fleet obliterated his combined allied fleet. Though he won the game, I most decidedly won the engagement!

If you want the REAL poop on WWII airpower, may I recomend Airwar by Edward Jablonski.  It was not only required reading at USAFA, but was ISSUED to me on my first day (right after my copy of Contrails, the Cadet knowledge text…)

@ncscswitch:

If you want the REAL poop …

I have two young boys, I don’t need anymore real poop, sham-poop is good enough. (aka shampoo, get it?)

Hey Switch, you were in the air force?  Wow that’s awesome, I didn’t know that.  What did you do (aside from fly) and what rank did you achieve?

@Jennifer:

@ncscswitch:

If you want the REAL poop …

I have two young boys, I don’t need anymore real poop, sham-poop is good enough. (aka shampoo, get it?)

That is somewhat disillusioning for certain members of the forum, namely everyone not named Jennifer, namely men.  :-o :cry: :lol:

@General_D.Fox:

Hey Switch, you were in the air force?  Wow that’s awesome, I didn’t know that.  What did you do (aside from fly) and what rank did you achieve?

USAF Academy.  Rank of C4C (call it 3rd Lieutenant)

@goldenbearflyer:

@Jennifer:

@ncscswitch:

If you want the REAL poop …

I have two young boys, I don’t need anymore real poop, sham-poop is good enough. (aka shampoo, get it?)

That is somewhat disillusioning for certain members of the forum, namely everyone not named Jennifer, namely men.  :-o :cry: :lol:

To be disillusioned, you must first be illusioned, dear.

And Switch, C4C is a cadet rank, didn’t you go active duty?

Not until I was in the Army after I blew out my knees the first time (when I lost my commission and pilots qualification).

So you are putting a cadet rank above the enlisted ranks???

@Jennifer:

@goldenbearflyer:

@Jennifer:

@ncscswitch:

If you want the REAL poop …

I have two young boys, I don’t need anymore real poop, sham-poop is good enough. (aka shampoo, get it?)

That is somewhat disillusioning for certain members of the forum, namely everyone not named Jennifer, namely men. :-o :cry: :lol:

To be disillusioned, you must first be illusioned, dear.

Damn straight.  And don’t you dare ever change that “picture” of yours! :-D

If I say my brother was in Air Force ROTC, does that get me back on topic? :roll:

Academy yes, ROTC no.

According to regulations, were were equivalent to just above the highest grade of Warrant Officer 9which were obsolete in the USAF by that time) and below 2LT.  We had no authority to USE that rank, but it is where we fell in the food chain.

In terms of practical realities, we all know that a SFC has more clout than a 2 LT, but the 2LT still outranks the SFC.

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As I understood it, the US Navy midshipmen were never in a position that would give them authority over enlisted personnel, period.

The guidance I remember is that in a line of succession question at sea, midshipmen, chaplains and supply officers were respected passengers who held no command authority over even the lowliest E1.  This was the classic “life boat” question where we would take a random selection of people in the service (or other services) and stuff them all in the proverbial lifeboat, then demand to know who had “command at sea” in the lifeboat.  Chaplains, supply officers and midshipmen all fell into the category of not eligible for command at sea while all enlisted personnel are eligible for command at sea.

Mind, “respected passenger” can carry an awful lot of weight.  I would hate to be the newly minted PO3 (E4) with a chaplain Admiral as a “passenger”.  Actually the ADM would probably be pretty easy, it is the young energetic types that get confused about rank, resposiblity and leadership.</according>

i guess i probably outrank you all  ;)    :roll:

Sergant that would be….  (i think, not exactly sure)

@Nix:

i guess i probably outrank you all  ;)    :roll:

Sergant that would be….  (i think, not exactly sure)

Probably not.

I got a huge promotion on the 1st of January.

civilian.

We were addressed as Warrant Officers by enlisted personell “Mr. Eicher” if we were not addressed specifically as Cadet.

Also, the Academies are a bit different from ROTC due to our oaths that we swear day one (as opposed to say a ROTC Cadet who signed up for Military History 101 to fullfil a health and phys ed requirement in college).

I honestly do not have the details.  I am going based on my training at USAFA in stating where we fell in the food chain.

Again, we had the rank, but not AUTHORITY.  So we received an amount of defference equivalent to a Warrant Officer from enlisted personell, but could not give orders.

Also, while I was in Ft. Benning, we had several West Point Cadets doing their pre-seior summer in my Bat, and the enlisted folks, (including the Seargeants in the cadre, including a Command Seargeant Major with a 101st Airborne Combat Patch from Vietnam) SALUTED those Cadets like any other officer.

Hell, we salute cadets.  Sure as heck does not mean they have order authority over a bucket full of urine.

I am talking Academy cadets too.

Lets ask this question another way.  If a cadet washed out of the Academy to the regular force, what rank was assigned?

I did not wash out to another branch.

I re-joined after I had my knees put back together.  Academy would not take me back, so I enlisted… PFC due to having completed USAFA Cadet BCT.