What is so bad about taking Karelia in the first turn(s)?

I find that often when all of the players are experienced, one of two things happen:

it is very close for a very long time, and the game may go longer than 10 rounds by round 4 (or so) it is realized by both players that the game will likely go one way (or another) and one might as well save “playing it out to its most likely conclusion”.

Kar. should be taken the first turn, but only to partially delete it’s forces. Only as a blitzkrieg secondary effort to move your armor and fighters to Moscow. Destroy the UK navy all that you can also on the first turn. The Allies pose no threat in WE if you leave your forces there. Moscow can be taken in Round 2.
See:
http://axisandallies.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3420
It worked for me. With alot of luck. Depends on the option you play with also.
~Tyranny

I only say sacrifice that front for the Factories… otherwise…

W_0,
RR or NRR.
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“One who speaks deferentially but increases his preparations will advance; one who speaks belligerently and advances hastily will retreat.” - Sun-tzu, The Art of War

As fer which is my FAV country… it makes me no nevermind. However, If’n you are gonna play and don’t invite me…
ENJOY YOUR LAST FEW DAYS ON EARTH! :P

Hey, I admit it . I’m an A&Amonger… A&Aophile… A&Aoholic… A&Aromancer… whatever you wanna call it…I"LL PLAY :lol: - Xi

Well, bless your heart :roll: and don’t you want to be thorough :P :wink:
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My advice, fight the Eastern Front to contain the Russians outside of Eastern Europe, forcing them to choose between defending between Karelia or Ukraine if you need those 3 extra IPCs to end the game. Use the rest of those forces to protect WE and Africa. Remember a D-Day can ruin the Axis attempts at an EV. I’m interested in hearing your calculations on how to do it.

But what are the Allies to do in the Atlantic? USA lacks the distance to make it particularly damaging to Germany’s Western Front.