• 2007 AAR League

    Not true at all.  Japan can easily do a “pearl lite”.  US has 1 ac, 1 fgt, 1 sub in the Hawaiian sz.  Japan could potentially bring any or all of:
    1 sub, 1 ac, 2 bb, 1 trn, 3 fgt, 1 bmb

    One “pearl lite” option would be to attack with 1 sub, 3 fgt, 1 bmb.  Frood estimates 50% of the time Japan wins in 1 round (3 hits round 1).  If US withdraws it’s sub whenever it gets a chance, Japan wins and 75% of the time takes only 0,1 or 2 hits.

    Surviving 2 fighters land on carrier stationed at Wake (in non-combat movement, supported by 2 BB.  US can only hit it with 1 sub, 1 trn, 1 BB (no planes can reach).  Average outcome for that battle is terrible for the US - losing all their units and on average Japan only loses 1 unit (leaving on average 2BB, 1AC, 1FGT).

    So US will never make that counterattack, and Japan can withdraw the surviving fleet (2BB, 1AC) the Sea of Japan in a KJF, or island hop in a KGF.


  • Hey,

    I just checked and having your US sub retreat (J1) pearl attack, and make its way to Japan to disrupt transports on US1 could also work on revised.

    Heres the kicker. It will only work if Japan doesn’t move transports out of harms way in the NCM stage. Yes they will be forced to place new units they bought. So you have to pray that Japan doesn’t start with a sub fleet. In this event you would have to counter pearl if you as the US want to maintain a presence in the PAC front.


  • You can’t do that in Revised for 2 reasons…

    1.  Subs do not move to retreat, they submerge.
    2.  If Japan brings the DST (they almost always do) the SUB can;t even submerge as long as the DST lives (it only takes 1 round with the DST still alive to prevent the submerge, and since USA declares combat losses first, you have to gamble on Japan being stupid and losing the DST even after they see that you kept the SUB).

    So keep this move for Classic.


  • ncscswitch,

    Thank you for your wisdom, your right my bad.

    So here is a follow up question to the KJF debate. Lets say Japan knows it (lets not discuss how they just know the allies have it out for them) Does Japan go Navy or Army?


  • Wait a min. scratch last apology this is the A&A classic board.

    A&A revise is down the hall!

    -LT04

  • 2007 AAR League

    @losttribe04:

    having your US sub retreat (J1) pearl attack, and make its way to Japan to disrupt transports on US1 could also work on revised.

    I think you were the one to bring up revised… :cry:


  • Its hard to say if we were talking classic, revised we had so many flash backs, flash aheads, and a couple of flash side ways. With classic rules lets say the SUB can be spared the first round and submerge or retreat to the US West coast, only if Japan does a Pearl lite attack. On US 1 you could then counter with 1 SUB, 1 Battleship, and 1 TRAN as fodder, to be reinforced with what ever else the US chose to buy (assuming navy due to the KJF).

    -LT04

  • 2007 AAR League

    @losttribe04:

    With classic rules lets say the SUB can be spared the first round and submerge or retreat to the US West coast

    Submerge doesn’t happen in classic.  So we’ll say the sub withdraws to the US West Coast.

    @losttribe04:

    if Japan does a Pearl lite attack. On US 1 you could then counter with 1 SUB, 1 Battleship, and 1 TRAN as fodder, to be reinforced with what ever else the US chose to buy (assuming navy due to the KJF).

    The question is, if Japan did Pearl Lite, what is there to counter?  Maybe nothing.  See my earlier post about a US counter of 1 sub 1 trn 1 bb at Wake against a Japan fleet of 1 ac 2 fgt 2 bb.  Disastrous for the US.


  • Yeah after reviewing the situation at length I have come o the conclusion I’ve lost my d*** mind. Your right what was I thinking. At least what ever is left would give the US a good starter nave consisting of:

    1 SUB (the one that retreated the Pearl lite attack)
    1 BB on the US west coast
    1 TRN also on the US west coast.
    plus what ever else they start with in the Atlantic.

    -LT04

  • 2007 AAR League

    Definitely, and not a bad option for the US either.  That sub can represent useful fodder in a later battle instead of just leaving it to die at pearl on J1.

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