German buys turn one

8. Build an Industrial Complex in Western Europe and shake up Atlantic UK/US pre-calculations.

You haven’t really lived until you’ve blockaded an Allied navy into the Baltic!  :evil:

~Josh

And leave Russia to beat you up from the east?

Yeah I know… it’s obviously not the best or most conservative strategy, but it sure is fun and it opens up a nice range of interesting new possibilities for Germany.  I’m not even serious about IL including it on his list, unless he reeeally wants to.  Russia can still be handled (I’ve managed it once or twice) but it will certainly be more difficult as you are down 3-5 land-units.

~Josh

Just some side notes

Also with the AC purchase.

not only does it give you a net of protection for a while, it allows you to re-take Norway 1-4 turns if you want it and it allows the Russians to pay most of the blood for trading territories with Germany Kar > Belo > Ukr  because soon it will be the Brits getting Kar for the Russians.

Here are my thoughts:

Channel Dash-Waste of a fleet, the UK & US airforces will make mince meat out of it before you can get to the med.

G2 fleet unification in SZ7-I have yet to have an opponent pull this off.  As the allied player I can see it coming and no allied player worth his salt would allow it (IMHO) and it is easily countered.

G1 buy with belo/WR opening no bid. Baltic CV, 3art, 4inf (this is 1 less unit than the 8inf buy but increase your offensive punch from 8 to 13).

@jsp4563:

Here are my thoughts:

Channel Dash-Waste of a fleet, the UK & US airforces will make mince meat out of it before you can get to the med.

G2 fleet unification in SZ7-I have yet to have an opponent pull this off.  As the allied player I can see it coming and no allied player worth his salt would allow it (IMHO) and it is easily countered.

G1 buy with belo/WR opening no bid. Baltic CV, 3art, 4inf (this is 1 less unit than the 8inf buy but increase your offensive punch from 8 to 13).

We had a huge discussion a few months ago regarding the fleet unification. You can place ships to try a block, but the Germans usually will unify them.

@squirecam:

@jsp4563:

Here are my thoughts:

Channel Dash-Waste of a fleet, the UK & US airforces will make mince meat out of it before you can get to the med.

G2 fleet unification in SZ7-I have yet to have an opponent pull this off.  As the allied player I can see it coming and no allied player worth his salt would allow it (IMHO) and it is easily countered.

G1 buy with belo/WR opening no bid. Baltic CV, 3art, 4inf (this is 1 less unit than the 8inf buy but increase your offensive punch from 8 to 13).

We had a huge discussion a few months ago regarding the fleet unification. You can place ships to try a block, but the Germans usually will unify them.

Not on G2, and if you were playing me “Not Ever”.  If you think it’s possible, give me your scenario.

@jsp4563:

@squirecam:

@jsp4563:

Here are my thoughts:

Channel Dash-Waste of a fleet, the UK & US airforces will make mince meat out of it before you can get to the med.

G2 fleet unification in SZ7-I have yet to have an opponent pull this off.  As the allied player I can see it coming and no allied player worth his salt would allow it (IMHO) and it is easily countered.

G1 buy with belo/WR opening no bid. Baltic CV, 3art, 4inf (this is 1 less unit than the 8inf buy but increase your offensive punch from 8 to 13).

We had a huge discussion a few months ago regarding the fleet unification. You can place ships to try a block, but the Germans usually will unify them.

Not on G2, and if you were playing me “Not Ever”.  If you think it’s possible, give me your scenario.

It’s back in that thread. But briefly, put ac+subs/trans in the baltic and the med fleet unified off gibraltar. Air in WE. Where is your UK1 placements so I can give G2 moves??

@Imperious:

G1 buy with belo/WR opening no bid. Baltic CV, 3art, 4inf (this is 1 less unit than the 8inf buy but increase your offensive punch from 8 to 13).

Yes this is what i see as a good opening build. I consider this the safe opening purchase

I will present each nations potential purchases into 3 catagories of risk assesment from safe to aggressive and illustrate each opening with pictures and explaination as to the philosophy. I want to catalog why some of these plans have great risk and why. But i wll also address the potential rewards of the various plans in spite of these risks so players can “see” what the objective is.

Are you going to start with Russia’s options then vs. Axis bid placements?
B/c I think the Wrus-Belo might be the weakest opening vs. the other options Russia can do:

#1 - Wrus only
#2 - Wrus and Belo
#3 - Wrus and Ukr
#4 - Wrus and Ukr strafe

Also, I think an agressive Russian player will eat Germany alive if they go AC and only place 7 units (4 inf, 3 rt) on G1.

@DarthMaximus:

@Imperious:

G1 buy with belo/WR opening no bid. Baltic CV, 3art, 4inf (this is 1 less unit than the 8inf buy but increase your offensive punch from 8 to 13).

Yes this is what i see as a good opening build. I consider this the safe opening purchase

I will present each nations potential purchases into 3 catagories of risk assesment from safe to aggressive and illustrate each opening with pictures and explaination as to the philosophy. I want to catalog why some of these plans have great risk and why. But i wll also address the potential rewards of the various plans in spite of these risks so players can “see” what the objective is.

Are you going to start with Russia’s options then vs. Axis bid placements?
B/c I think the Wrus-Belo might be the weakest opening vs. the other options Russia can do:

#1 - Wrus only
#2 - Wrus and Belo
#3 - Wrus and Ukr
#4 - Wrus and Ukr strafe

Also, I think an agressive Russian player will eat Germany alive if they go AC and only place 7 units (4 inf, 3 rt) on G1.

Germany has more units on the eastern front at the start of the game than USSR. German units have advantages also in air, art, and armor.

USSR has an income of 24. German buy - AC = 24.

I dont see how you can say USSR “eats Germany alive” when they spent the same # of IPC on ground troops as USSR, and Germany already outnumbered them.

squire-

give me your specific build for g1 and I will show you how easily it’s countered.

Why not play a 1.5 round game with each other?  Attach maps after each round.  Then everyone can see the moves as they happen and decide for themselves whether or not it is a viable German strat?

@jsp4563:

squire-

give me your specific build for g1 and I will show you how easily it’s countered.

…I put the german placement above…

placement was 1ac baltic (how many fighters land here, if any)
4 inf 3 art GER.

• how many fighters are in WEU?

@rjclayton:

placement was 1ac baltic (how many fighters land here, if any)
4 inf 3 art GER.

• how many fighters are in WEU?

No. AC+ subs/transports. Say 1 sub 2 transports but it could be 3 transports or 2s/1t. Multiple choices here.
Air was already noted to be in WE. (You could also say the Bomber was in Lybia, but it could reach any sz anyway)

How many fighters does Germany have left?

@rjclayton:

How many fighters does Germany have left?

all of them