AARHE setup issues

I think this is correct, those fighters are maybe to most important pieces in the game (normal Revised)

unlike naval units
new air and land unit placements changes things a bit more

so how about
FB are new placements, only Germany and USSR gets FB
at Karelia or Russia?

But isn’t that the idea, that we make more strategies possible without effecting the balance to much? If powers receive extra pieces, balance isn’t effected that much if those pieces are placed in the same area on the map. But you do get more strategic options. More diversity in attack and defence…  Conclusion, I don’t think you should worry to much on the balance, as long as we choose good placement territories.

like the unit placement due to new map
I prefer not too many changes

balance is so complicated because the players have different income and setup
proportions are not kept easily

giving Germany and USSR new FB is fair enough

but USSR already has a hard time defending Far East, so I think get rid of Japan FB
and UK FB doesn’t really open up new strategies neither

since its new placement we can move it back to Caucasus

Germany: 1 FB (Ukraine)
USSR: 1 FB (Caucasus)

thats what I am thinking

I see, but will for example Japan use it’s FB against Russia in AARHE? The VC system drives Japan more towards the Pacific then Russia… Maybe we could say that the new unit placements should only be used when the individual winning conditions are used.

also Japan don’t need the FB it for new strategy, like UK they have a BMR

I am still not happy with it though
USSR can’t afford to lose a FTR but Germany already has many units
how about just USSR new FB

reality check
who HAD much dive bombers in 1942?

OK, now we are going somewhere. I like you diversion between a completely new alternate setup and one for automatic placement when people decide to use the optional units.

Place the Russian FB in the Caucasus.

Hey, my reply was on a comment about alternate setup, but i see tekky modified the text… so my reactions seems kind of odd.

First the Germans with Stukas and the then Russians with Sturmaviks, The Japs specialized in torpedo bombers. The UK and US started to turn their FIG in ground attack models form 1942 on… This game is in the early 1942 so the German and Russians have the advantage. Japan could also, if the torpedo bomber is also represented by it.

@Micoom:

Hey, my reply was on a comment about alternate setup, but i see tekky modified the text… so my reactions seems kind of odd.

hehe yeah I removed it again cos I thought too many ideas at once
and suddenly felt like just wrapping this part up

Imperious, here it is again…

*our goal is becoming vague
*maybe make this minimal and simple (its just to cater for new units)
*later make an “alternative setup”, for opening new strategies, realism and other stuff

OK add FB to Soviets and Germans
replace FB with fighter with Japan and USA
the other 2 dont get anything ( UK and Italy)

yeah I was consider a hybrid (new placements + replacements) method too, but was trying to keep it simple

oh I see, now thats different again…now US not UK gets FB…
would that be Western US?

NAV (naval fighter)
the FTR at Hawaiian Islands (not on CV)…should it become NAV or remain as FTR?

I think the FTR of Hawaii should remain a FTR. Axis move first, so the CV will probably sink anyway. Then the US has more value on that FTR then when it would be a NAV.

ok its warped up then

PARA (paraptrooper): new placement
MECH (mechanized infantry): replace INF
FB (fighter bomber): new placement
NAV (naval fighter): replace FTR
CA (cruiser): new placement

Japan: 1 CA (East Indies), 1 PARA (Japan)

Germany: 1 CA (Baltic), 1 FB (Ukraine), 2 MECH (Western Europe, West Russia), 1 PARA (Germany)

Italy: 1 CA (Italy), 1 PARA (Italy)

UK: 2 CA (Anglo-Egypt, Greenland)

US: 1 CA (Western US), 1 MECH (Eastern US), 1 PARA (Eastern US)

USSR: 2 MECH (Russia) , 1 FB (Karelia), 1 PARA (Russia)

What really would be decent is the idea of a pre-game build of only new pieces say of 12-20 ipc worth of stuff. That would create alot of new strategies. Its something like the rules in AAE… but just an idea.

How about we add that bid system then. Bid X IPC to play Axis with.

We have 3 game modes.
Total Victory, City Victory and Economic Victory.

We can add a bid system in the Total Victory game mode.
You know, the one where you bid X IPC pre-build to play Axis with.

ok I’ve just upload a few file

So, this is just about finalized then for the rules right?

link should work
re-uploaded (specifying NAV locations…although its just all the FTRs on CVs)

2007-03-21 http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=Axis_and_Allies_Revised_Historical_Edition_Phase_3_Draft_20070321.zip

its not “finalized” but just “finished”  :wink:
now we print it out and really playtest the complete ruleset as a whole

I think it would be months at the earliest before we would say its finalized
considering how long AARe took before they declared final