3 submarines = 1 battleship ?%%????

The Canadians were also the only ones to complete their objectives by the end of the first day of D-Day. They captured Juno Beach, hence the Juno Awards in Canada,

“the funny thing is, i understand that at the end of ww2 we (canada) had the 3rd largest navy in the world.”

Where’d you hear that from, me? :wink: But CC is correct, Canada did have the 3rd largest navy in the world following ww2.

“The Canadians were also the only ones to complete their objectives by the end of the first day of D-Day. They captured Juno Beach, hence the Juno Awards in Canada”

But then again you Canucks didn’t have to land at Omaha and Utah beach! :P But seriously, you Canucks deserve your due. So what are the Juno Awards? Is it a medal given to those who participated?

actually no. The Juno awards are the Canadian equivalent of the Grammy’s, i guess. They honor “top” musicians in their various categories. Chances are if an American has heard of a Canadian group, they have a Juno or two.

And i agree - although we were successful at Juno, and the work that was done there is a source of respect, honor and pride in our veterans, i havn’t the slightest how much more or less difficult that landing would have been relative to the others.
And before we can boast, we also must look to Dieppe - one of the greatest failures of the war (although some, particularly in the intelligence business might have classified it a resounding success).

“actually no. The Juno awards are the Canadian equivalent of the Grammy’s, i guess. They honor “top” musicians in their various categories. Chances are if an American has heard of a Canadian group, they have a Juno or two.”

Sorry, but this doesn’t sound right. I understand that you guys take great pride at your Juno landings (commendable), but to give an award named after a the beach that Canadians soldiers risked their lives on is sort of disrespectful for those who actually served in the invasion. No amount of courage and honor (especially by Grammy winners) can come close to equaling the lives of those brave Canadians that paid the ultimate sacrifice in Overlord. It’s kind of like if America held at awards ceremony named “The Medal of Honor” to decorate famous movie stars. I hope you can understand what I’m trying to say.

“And before we can boast, we also must look to Dieppe - one of the greatest failures of the war (although some, particularly in the intelligence business might have classified it a resounding success).”

You’re right on Dieppe. It was a success and a failure. It helped prepare D-Day planners for the actual Normandy Invasion by learning from their mistakes, but it also led to the deaths and capture of many brave Canadian Commandos (or whatever you guys call them).

@TG:

The Destroyers in A&A:P (and A&A:E) are great “in between units” with the sub and battleship.

BTW: Don’t worry A&A: WWI will have Naval units up the wazoo (though no carrier :() so I’m sure you’ll have find something you like. Super-Dreadnoughts Drool :)

Cameron, I like your idea of half BB’s. Mind if I use it?

Axis & Allies WW1? Aside from the total contradiction in terms–can this be for real? Are they really planning this? How do you know? If this is true I will be STOKED BEYOND BELIEF–you can keep the CVs (although I will miss them :( ), watch me crush London with my Zeppelin raids! Hopefully they will enable one to recreate such forgotten events as the battle of Coronel, where the German Pacific Squadron defeated the ill-prepared British off the Chilean coast, or the flight of the L-59, the Zeppelin Germany launched to resupply their beleagured garrison in Tanganyika, Africa, flying continuously for 96 hours and covering over 4500 miles! An official WWI A & A variant would be a MUST-HAVE for me. Are you for real? If so, when, when, WHEN???

Sorry for the outburst :wink:

Ozone27

@TG:

“the funny thing is, i understand that at the end of ww2 we (canada) had the 3rd largest navy in the world.”

Where’d you hear that from, me? :wink: But CC is correct, Canada did have the 3rd largest navy in the world following ww2.

3rd LARGEST–sure. But don’t forget that most of those ships were tiny “corvette”-class sub-hunters–primitive even by 1940s standards. The fact that Canadian sailors in WWII were able to accomplish so much in such creaky ships is a testimony to their bravery and fortitude…

Ozone27

@Ozone27:

3rd LARGEST–sure. But don’t forget that most of those ships were tiny “corvette”-class sub-hunters–primitive even by 1940s standards. The fact that Canadian sailors in WWII were able to accomplish so much in such creaky ships is a testimony to their bravery and fortitude…

Ozone27

Hey, even primitive corvette and jeep class ships were good for hunting down Hitler’s U-Boats! Remember, those 50 destroyers we sent to UK were old and busted, but they still served their purpose in protecting Atlantic convoys. :wink: As the war went on, Canada did build up a modern navy, though it received a lot of lend-lease from the Americans.

Great Britain may not have the largest navy anymore, but it is my favorite. I like the way her majesty names her ships.

@Ozone27:

@TG:

The Destroyers in A&A:P (and A&A:E) are great “in between units” with the sub and battleship.

BTW: Don’t worry A&A: WWI will have Naval units up the wazoo (though no carrier :() so I’m sure you’ll have find something you like. Super-Dreadnoughts Drool :)

Cameron, I like your idea of half BB’s. Mind if I use it?

Axis & Allies WW1? Aside from the total contradiction in terms–can this be for real? Are they really planning this? How do you know? If this is true I will be STOKED BEYOND BELIEF–you can keep the CVs (although I will miss them :( ), watch me crush London with my Zeppelin raids! Hopefully they will enable one to recreate such forgotten events as the battle of Coronel, where the German Pacific Squadron defeated the ill-prepared British off the Chilean coast, or the flight of the L-59, the Zeppelin Germany launched to resupply their beleagured garrison in Tanganyika, Africa, flying continuously for 96 hours and covering over 4500 miles! An official WWI A & A variant would be a MUST-HAVE for me. Are you for real? If so, when, when, WHEN???

Sorry for the outburst :wink:

Ozone27

Well it’s not exactly A&A: WWI, more like Triple Alliance and Triple Entente: The Great War for those who want their “historical correctness.” :P

Ozone, I like your idea on using zeppelines (though you do know in real life, those zeppelines were a failure, right? :roll:), so talk with Emu as he is the chief mod builder - I’m just a helper.

Also (and I’m sorry if it burst your bubble), but A&A: WWI be using the A&A: Europe map so no Pacific or African fighting (though there is some).

But if you want the juicy details the Naval part of the game (which me and TM helped design) includes Subs, Destroyers, Dreadnoughts, Transports, and Super Dreadnoughts. Almost all of the units (except transports) have been redone. Also Emu is also working on a tech system to “unlock” unit upgrades (like WWI ARM and biplanes) and that might apply to our naval system. But one thing I can tell you, these WWI type Subs will blow anything out of the water! 8)

I’ve been listening to the rant and it seems many of us agree that Battleships are pricey but they have their uses, and that a fully loaded AC is a dangerous thing indeed.

But the best thing of all is …BOTH! Check this out: say you’re playing the Japanese and you want to worry the USA. The battlefield of the Pacific is a great territory to test out your naval skills. A loan transport trying to island-hop is suicide. However, that 1 Transport with a Battleship can be dangerous, but ONLY if he works fast. So, what to do? Japan doesn’t initial have the money to build a powerful navy, but it doesn’t really have to. It starts with the best in the game! You start with 2 Transports, 2 Battleships, 1 AC, 1 Sub, and quite a lot of Fighters. Sending everything against the USA will (usually result in a ‘wash’). Not a bad strategy, since you really don’t need your navy unless the USA is attempting to Island-Hop towards Tokyo.

But…I digress. Back to building a terrifying navy.

I recommend 2-3 Transports with 2 Inf on each. 2 Battleships escort them about. An AC with 2 Fighters cruises either with them or Very nearby, but always close enough to a land territory that planes can land on if necessary. 2-3 Subs floating along with the AC is a nice trick as well. If you have all of these out there in the water, say split into 2 groups within 1 space of each other, the enemy isn’t sure which to attack. Both are dangerous. The AC & subs are the navy killers. The other is your amphibious assault crew. Moving together so closely means that if the enemy attacks 1 the other with destroy whatever force remains after they loose :D Most of all, an attack from both of these 2 groups is truly terrifying. Amphibious invasion with Battleships and fighters in support. It’s a nice way to take LA. It also ensures that NOBODY can quickly get rid of your navy.

Granted, that would be terrifying, but what’s happening in asia while russia beats the crap out of ger.? This navy would cost so much you couldn’t build a land force. Japan does start with a large navy, but it’s kind of spread out at the begining, and would take a while to assemble.

I will agree with you tactically, it is a good theory. Two questions: Have you tried this? Did you win?

Amassing a large navy and moving it outside the coast of Western USA might be a good diversion to scare USA draw forces to defend the homeland. And if they don’t – hehehe lets just say that the Rising Sun will be atop USA. :wink:

Other than that, you want to send most of the IPCs you have to Russia and the Asia mainland. Japan already starts out with a large navy, so you don’t need to build anymore shifts except for transports and maybe 1-2 subs.

World powers are so because of their military power. Canada’s per capita is much higher than China’s but one of China’s fleets could crush the Canadian navy. They also they are world powers because they give other nations advanced weaponry to maximize killing. [sic]

“They also they are world powers because they give other nations advanced weaponry to maximize killing.”

That is terrible… :(

Nah, I don’t buy into this, world power killing idea. Japan is the second most-dominant power in the world (GNP), yet it hardly has a military and doesn’t “give other nations advanced weaponry to maximize killing.” How can you explain this? :-?

@TG:

Well it’s not exactly A&A: WWI, more like Triple Alliance and Triple Entente: The Great War for those who want their “historical correctness.” :P

Ozone, I like your idea on using zeppelines (though you do know in real life, those zeppelines were a failure, right? :roll:), so talk with Emu as he is the chief mod builder - I’m just a helper.

Also (and I’m sorry if it burst your bubble), but A&A: WWI be using the A&A: Europe map so no Pacific or African fighting (though there is some).

But if you want the juicy details the Naval part of the game (which me and TM helped design) includes Subs, Destroyers, Dreadnoughts, Transports, and Super Dreadnoughts. Almost all of the units (except transports) have been redone. Also Emu is also working on a tech system to “unlock” unit upgrades (like WWI ARM and biplanes) and that might apply to our naval system. But one thing I can tell you, these WWI type Subs will blow anything out of the water! 8)

Ya, I’m the chief mod builder of this mod. I’ve already almost finished re-designing the Axis and Allies: Europe map. Tell me Ozone, how would you like to play a game with 8 countries, rather than just 5? Then you can include all your friends in the game. You can bomb London as Germany, liberate Beligum as France, crush Serbia as Austria-Hungary, dismantle Ottoman Turkish colonies as Great Britain, repel the British as the Ottoman Turks, stop the Eastern Front from collapsing as the Russian Empire, make a surprise attack on either side as Italy or join the war just in time to save the Allied Powers as the United States. There are 8, yes I said 8, countries to choose from, making the game very strategic.

Wow… Eight different countries to choose from? Won’t that be hard to keep track of everything at once? Does each Power have its own IPC income and units? I cannot wait to hear more about it! :D

Each country does have its own IPC count and hopefully its own units if there are enough colours. I need to find out how many colours there are in AA, AAE and AAP altogether.