Thank you sir! Figured as much, just couldn’t find it definitively stated anywhere.
3 submarines = 1 battleship ?%%????
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Also, sometimes you can load them. Can’t you drop American fighters on a fresh U.K. carrier before Germany’s turn?
You can do that.
I think we do agree except I still can see a U.S. player or a U.K player buying a BB’s and not losing the game.
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Well, looking at the problems associated with battleships in the game explains a lot as to why WWII saw the beginning of the end of the age of the battleship. That’s not to say that there were no new battleships constructed or used effectively, but their faults were becoming apparent. While they were great for specialized purposes and brute force, it was effectively too much power limited to too few items.
For now, this statement would be correct, but who knows what the future will hold? After WWII, the main assumption was that BBs were outdated and that carriers could easily take their place. And this statement was largely correct. However, what many people fail to realize is that as technology progresses, that doesn’t mean that BBs will become even more outdated. Lets take the development of the cruise missile for instance. Suddenly, this weapon from a “new age of warfare” gave the battleship a new lease at life. Suddenly, the USS Missouri (a WWII era BB mind you) was taken out of mothballs and used in Operation Desert Storm not so many years ago. Other developments helped too. The Phalanx AA guns made BBs much less susceptible to the omnipresent threat of fighter planes. And if for nothing else, BBs are the definitive answer to shore bombardment. So who knows what the future may hold? Heck, with the development of “rail guns,” you might see such “advanced” weapons mounted on the BB’s gun platforms and rekindle the spirit of the awesome presence of the battleship!
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but who knows what the future will hold?
Well, it seems that the examples you cited would basicly be just referring to ‘large ships’, little different than ‘launching platforms’ and not the thing that comes to our collective mind’s-eye when hearing the term ‘battleship’. I can see many possibilities, actually PRObibilities, that large ships may be needed in grand numbers again, but never again for the exact applications of the ones that went extict in our recent past. Big ships will need to have reasons to exist far more important than just ‘big guns’… or respectful nostalgia. And the ones that will be built, like you point out, will probably not have big guns on them at all, really.
But, like you say, who knows?
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“Well, it seems that the examples you cited would basicly be just referring to ‘large ships’, little different than ‘launching platforms’ and not the thing that comes to our collective mind’s-eye when hearing the term ‘battleship’.”
Well I don’t expect BB’s to be used in the exact same applications from before (ie face to face combat). But with rail guns, it might very well bring back the term “big guns,” with combat occuring hundreds of miles away. Remember, all it takes is one ship (ex. the dreadnought) to change the whole face of naval warfare.
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The jedi seems to be very level-headed. :wink: 'Nuff sed.
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I side with Sir JediCharles. The era of the battleship has long since faded with dawn of the aircraft. Submarines and Pegasus-Class Boats are the wave of the future. Both are hard to detect, and can be mass produced in greater quantities in the same amount of time to construct one battleship. On the drawing boards, some engineers are looking to combine the abilities of an aircraft carrier with the underwater qualities of a submarine.
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You really don’t need huge ships to either launch missiles or mount railguns. The only used for battleships in the modern day is for large scale shore bombardment, which I imagine could easily be done with airstrikes from the carrier that is likely in the area (since the US has extremely copious amounts of carriers).
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@TM:
I side with Sir JediCharles. The era of the battleship has long since faded with dawn of the aircraft. Submarines and Pegasus-Class Boats are the wave of the future. Both are hard to detect, and can be mass produced in greater quantities in the same amount of time to construct one battleship. On the drawing boards, some engineers are looking to combine the abilities of an aircraft carrier with the underwater qualities of a submarine.
I would rather die than see a world without any more battleships!! :o You see, battleships weren’t meant to be “mass produced” in large quantities, battleships were works of art, specially crafted and perfected to be the ultimate battle station. Sure smaller craft could be used in many of the same situations (ie protecting convoys), but the mere presence of a battleship as part of a “peacekeeping force” or on a “diplomatic mission” warrants it. Also, BB’s weren’t meant to be “hard to detect.” They were the meanest soon of a guns and they didn’t care about “being spotted.” Yeah, try going up against an Iowa class’s massive 16-inch rifles, 17-inches of armored plating, and host of other anti-aircraft and anti-ship capabilities. I would gladly command a battleship, any time, any place.
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:lol:
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Intresting, maybe I’ll try this myself (though there is hardly a time where the UK Navy is not completely wiped out on the first turn)
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There sure are some cool folks around here and provide some great reading.
How should I be surprised? We’re all A&A fans!!!
:D
This situation arises when the UK still owns its 2 original battleships. By purchasing a third battleship,…
Well, not if I’m Germany with rolls worth a darn. If so, I’ll not let the sun set on my turn unless those 2 battleships of UK are gone.
he he he
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@TG:
I would rather die than see a world without any more battleships!! :o
I’m not realy a big navy guy, I don’t know of any battleships that are still in service. I belive all the Iowa class ships are museums or mothball store houses. Does britain still use them?
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The newest Canadian battleship on loan to the Coast Guard for testing.
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The newest Canadian battleship on loan to the Coast Guard for testing.
Hey, thats a bit of an exaggeration, its too big.
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“The newest Canadian battleship on loan to the Coast Guard for testing”
That has to be the funniest pic I’ve seen in a long while! :D
But to answer the question, USA is the only navy to have BB’s ready for activation, though all 4 are not in service and have been in moth balls. But it the heightening of tensions in the 1980’s Cold War showed us anything, you may one day see our mighty Battleships back in service :wink:
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@Mr:
The newest Canadian battleship on loan to the Coast Guard for testing.
Hey, thats a bit of an exaggeration, its too big.
i also don’t recall our battleships having so many powerful weapons and so much armor. It really is a little much.
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but of course its canada, whatcha expect. a powerhouse like canada has to hae a few good ships :wink:
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Maybe the Canadians are trying to show us you don’t need weapons of war to be a world power.
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@cystic:
@Mr:
The newest Canadian battleship on loan to the Coast Guard for testing.
Hey, thats a bit of an exaggeration, its too big.
i also don’t recall our battleships having so many powerful weapons and so much armor. It really is a little much.
LOL
ya, he should just have a handgun. -
but of course its canada, whatcha expect. a powerhouse like canada has to hae a few good ships :wink:
the funny thing is, i understand that at the end of ww2 we (canada) had the 3rd largest navy in the world.
true, it was likely made up of destroyers and corvettes, but a navy is a navy.
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