Canadian Parties

Hmmm… smells like they’re all bad (but then again, what major party in America isn’t?). I’d stick with the Alliance due to their strong poltical agenda, even though I may not support it. For most of the others, it’s the classic tale that when you try to appease everybody (and this is how you wrote them as), you end up appeasing nobody.

@TG:

Hmmm… smells like they’re all bad (but then again, what major party in America isn’t?). I’d stick with the Alliance due to their strong poltical agenda, even though I may not support it. For most of the others, it’s the classic tale that when you try to appease everybody (and this is how you wrote them as), you end up appeasing nobody.

You dare dis the green party?

wait a moment…

@cystic:

Just like Ghoul, I’m a Winnipegger - look at the country, and find the exact center of it (100 km north or so of the US border). Thats pretty close to where i live. The great, vast Canadian prairie. As we are west of the Ontario border, we are considered too to suffer from “western alienation”, although i don’t REALLY buy into that.
The province i live in is much more sharply divided into “liberal and pc” at the national level, “pc and ndp” at the provincial level. We’ve nearly got a 1:1 ratio of right:left.
Please correct me if i’m wrong on this ghoul . . . .

I think you got it pretty close.

I hate the NDP!

Moses,
wow, i’m pretty lost… you said on one post you were supporting a communist association ? no ?
Now you are saying you are supporting the right-wing canadian party ?

Not a little incoherent ?

Well I asked before if it was right-wing in ideologoy or economics, so far no answers. Beside, it looks like the Alliance is the only party with any coherency, it seems like the parties are too much, “Well lets try to appease everybody.” Parties will that often try that, like Mini said (constantly changing policies and tactics), which will make them loose support in the long run.

moses shouldn’t be a commie! but then ahgain any true communist society would allow you to own a gun…

right-wing in ideologoy & economy

and… so what ? you are a communist with right-wing ideology ?

Yeah, you could say that. :roll:

I’m with FinsterniS on this one too. I think that Quebec needs to be divided into regions that are pro-federalism vs. the non-fed regions. Those cancerous anti-Canada regions need to be severed from the rest of the country like a tumor. I’m tired of tax money being poured into those areas just to appease people who thumb their noses at the rest of us - especially when that money could go to people who actually NEED it. Then my mutual funds start to crash when one of those lunatics tries to force another referendum with ambiguous wording . . . i wish they would just go already. Unfortunately the BQ is losing popularity fast and Quebeccers are tired of politicians telling them that being a part of Canada stifles their destiny. Ahhh well. One day. (mind you, i hope that Montreal would stay - i like that city).

That is not very moderate nor very open-minded. You don’t want to understand, just to insult. Even if my vision is maybe limited i have seen much more intolerence coming from the english side, while i do not blame them from being proud of canada, i’m blaming them from being so insulting when it is not time of referendum…

I could even quote you several english, yelling about Quebec, while Quebecers, often called racist, are not so insulting.

@FinsterniS:

I’m with FinsterniS on this one too. I think that Quebec needs to be divided into regions that are pro-federalism vs. the non-fed regions. Those cancerous anti-Canada regions need to be severed from the rest of the country like a tumor. I’m tired of tax money being poured into those areas just to appease people who thumb their noses at the rest of us - especially when that money could go to people who actually NEED it. Then my mutual funds start to crash when one of those lunatics tries to force another referendum with ambiguous wording . . . i wish they would just go already. Unfortunately the BQ is losing popularity fast and Quebeccers are tired of politicians telling them that being a part of Canada stifles their destiny. Ahhh well. One day. (mind you, i hope that Montreal would stay - i like that city).

That is not very moderate nor very open-minded. You don’t want to understand, just to insult. Even if my vision is maybe limited i have seen much more intolerence coming from the english side, while i do not blame them from being proud of canada, i’m blaming them from being so insulting when it is not time of referendum…

I could even quote you several english, yelling about Quebec, while Quebecers, often called racist, are not so insulting.

Interesting. I use nearly the precise terminology descibing separatists (even terrorists if you consider the FLQ) that you use in describing Christianity and you consider that close minded, extremist, insulting and intolerant. Of course i do not feel that way (well, sometimes - especially when i hear the separatist rhetoric), and i have heard MUCH less rhetoric from English Canada about Quebec than i have heard from Separatist Quebec about English Canada, Natives, visible minorities, and immigrants.
How dare you?!?! You have no clue what a referendum does to our country. As i said before - most of us believe we live in the greatest country in the world. I am no different. And then i see people with a political agenda founded on ignorance trying to tear it apart. How is the weather up on your lofty European pedestal? No wonder people in these forums get pi**ed off with “European arrogance”. And i am not being insulting in my post. Jacques Parizeau is a lunatic. He and Hitler would have got along well, my friend. But oh, you would already know that is not true, somehow. please.

Interesting. I use nearly the precise terminology descibing separatists (even terrorists if you consider the FLQ) that you use in describing Christianity and you consider that close minded, extremist, insulting and intolerant.

First i don’t use these words now
Second you are insulting a people, not an ideology. Quebecers are not an obstacle to science or to anything, they just want a country, to be proud of their governement like you are proud of canada.

How dare you?!?! You have no clue what a referendum does to our country.

And how dare you to say that ? Maybe i have more clue than you think, i have family (in-law) in Québec.

As i said before - most of us believe we live in the greatest country in the world. I am no different

Then “you” all have a short visision. Before being german, before being european, i am human. I have esteem for english for X, french for Y, japanese for …, there’s no such thing as a “greatest country”.

And then i see people with a political agenda founded on ignorance trying to tear it apart. How is the weather up on your lofty European pedestal?

They are just trying to get a country. No need to insult european.

No wonder people in these forums get pi**ed off with “European arrogance”. And i am not being insulting in my post.

About european arrogance you will note i never said “europe is the best”.

Jacques Parizeau is a lunatic.

That is why the “greastest country in the world” take him as economic counselor even if he was separatist ? Parizeau was brilliant, he make a lot of good thing for Québec.

He and Hitler would have got along well

You seem to be quite hysteric.

I dont like Parizeau for blaming the loss of the 1995 referendum on the Jews and on other minorities. That was cruel and disgusting. I admire Bouchard for resigning because of that anti-semitic comment. He’s a decent man.

what? no green party? they’re who i vote for every time - and i think they’ve got a better socialist program than the NDP…

All the parties in Canada are right? YOu are kidding me. Canada is more left than the U.S. (National healthcare system) right?

About the whole Quebec thing, doesn’t Quebec have money? COmpared to like Manitoba?

All the parties in Canada are right? YOu are kidding me. Canada is more left than the U.S. (National healthcare system) right?

Yes, i think canada is a little more “left-wing”, but i think we could only say they are less right-wing… Quebec is also more from left than the rest of the Canada… French heritage :)

The problem with Quebec wanting to be its own country, is that they want all the benefits of being a separate nation and keep the advantages that being part of Canada would bring.

The Best of both worlds.

I have no problem with Quebec separating, I voted yes to the Referendum
back in 88’, However, you have to take the good with the bad.
None of this special status crap.

After saying all that, IMO, most French people here dont want to be a separate country, anyway.

I agree, no special privileges if you want to separate. I wouldn’t expect the CIS to default on all their loans once they chose to break away from the Union.

[[quote]Jacques Parizeau is a lunatic.
That is why the “greastest country in the world” take him as economic counselor even if he was separatist ? Parizeau was brilliant, he make a lot of good thing for Québec.

He and Hitler would have got along well

You seem to be quite hysteric.

I see you are of a nation where no racist, charismatic power seeker has ever acheived a high public office. It must be nice . . . .
I understand that Saddam did a lot of good things for Iraq. At one time.

“I understand that Saddam did a lot of good things for Iraq. At one time.”

Like what? Does this compare with his actions today?

I would guess that Saddam, in his first years in power, probably build a lot of schools, hospitals and the like. Then he probably brought his supporters into the most decisive positions in the state and economy, or rewared loyalities in this way.

Btw, how can the US call themselves “land of the free” when none of their states is allowed to leave the US? :)