BM4 Amon-Sul (Allies +15) vs. Pejon_88 (Axis)

@VictoryFirst

I think TripleA’s “oversight” is not and cannot be bound to a single combat move. By the rules all combat movement happens at the same time. As this - for reasons of usability - must be performed step by step the sequence of combat moves is arbitrary. So it can only be after all combat moves have been executed that TripleA might be enabled to check for valid landing spaces.

In this game the attack on Malaya (isolated) will be valid if you bring the carrier from SZ 36 to SZ 37, what gives a valid landing space, and when you move the one from SZ37 to SZ38 you have a valid landing space for the planes there, too (or bring the carrier from SZ 36 to 38 directly and leave the one in 37 there). But in that case only one carrier is present for the three planes in SZ 54 and 62. So here you could blame the movement of three fighters to the seazones south-east of Australia (instead of the attack on Malaya).

So - in case you don’t want the players to be resonsible for their movement - the engine should be enabled to check for landing spaces at the end of Combat Move Phase. During Combat Move Phase TripelA - at the time of executing each move - simply cannot “know” the follow up moves.

But let us further discuss that on https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/issues/14508 .

@Amon-Sul said in BM4 Amon-Sul (Allies +15) vs. Pejon_88 (Axis):

If Shan State wasnt taken , i think the program probably wouldnt allow the sz 62 attack

Just stating already that that has not caused the issue. I started a save file from the start of the Japanese turn, didn’t purchase anything and only did the movements of the 7 air units in question. Still, TripleA allowed the movement of all 7 air units at any point, even though it is obvious one air unit will not have a landing spot. EVen when the fighter moving to SZ 62 is the very last move, the engine still allows it.

That being said, there are complex cases where the engine does correctly disallow some air attacks, when there are multiple carriers involved. One actually occurred in a game I am currently playing against Simon33 on G13, where the engine correctly prevents the movement of one fighter to SZ 91.

@VictoryFirst said in BM4 Amon-Sul (Allies +15) vs. Pejon_88 (Axis):

@Amon-Sul said in BM4 Amon-Sul (Allies +15) vs. Pejon_88 (Axis):

If Shan State wasnt taken , i think the program probably wouldnt allow the sz 62 attack

Just stating already that that has not caused the issue. I started a save file from the start of the Japanese turn, didn’t purchase anything and only did the movements of the 7 air units in question. Still, TripleA allowed the movement of all 7 air units at any point, even though it is obvious one air unit will not have a landing spot. EVen when the fighter moving to SZ 62 is the very last move, the engine still allows it.

That being said, there are complex cases where the engine does correctly disallow some air attacks, when there are multiple carriers involved. One actually occurred in a game I am currently playing against Simon33 on G13, where the engine correctly prevents the movement of one fighter to SZ 91.

Thanks a lot dude

It seems triple a has a bug sometimes (not Always, which makes it hard to detect) on this Isuse

Good to know

Hope it resolves somehow

Until then we ll be more careful

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 4 artilleries and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
              Chinese take Jehol from Japanese
        1 mech_infantry moved from Sikang to Kansu
        1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Kansu
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Eastern Poland

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Kansu
            Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry in Kansu, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kansu, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kansu
            Russians win, taking Kansu from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Eastern Poland
            Russians attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Eastern Poland
            Russians win, taking Eastern Poland from Germans with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        3 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        5 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        2 armour moved from Belarus to Smolensk
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Poland to Russia
        6 artilleries moved from Russia to Tambov
        2 aaGuns, 4 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        1 aaGun moved from Belarus to Smolensk
        1 aaGun moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        2 aaGuns and 16 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
        1 fighter moved from Kansu to Novosibirsk
        1 mech_infantry moved from Sikang to Kazakhstan

    Place Units - Russians
        3 infantry placed in Volgograd
        4 artilleries and 6 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,6
        Russians collect 32 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 32 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 35 PUs
        Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 37 PUs
        Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 39 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -0.33
Germans regular : -0.33
Russians regular : 1.00

Savegame

Japan on the move…

Godspeed :)

@Pejon_88

I forgot one thing

Can u please move Russian tanks to Russia

I put them to Smolensk

I would Like them in Russia (Moscow)

Thanks man

Japan may proceed

Unusual and interesting situation on the Eastern Front

In China too ha

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 5 infantry, 1 marine, 1 submarine and 8 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Americans
        Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States

    Combat Move - Americans
        Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Americans
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra

    Combat - Americans
        Americans creates battle in territory 54 Sea Zone
        Battle in Malaya
        Battle in Sumatra

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 3 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil
              Americans take Brazil from Neutral_Allies
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern United States to 91 Sea Zone
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to Central United States
        1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Western United States to Central United States
        1 bomber moved from Western United States to Queensland

    Place Units - Americans
        5 infantry placed in Central United States
        1 marine placed in Central United States
        Americans undo move 2.
        Americans undo move 1.
        4 infantry placed in Central United States
        7 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 marine placed in Western United States
        1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
        Americans undo move 4.
        1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
        1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 56 PUs; end with 56 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 66 PUs
        Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 76 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Chinese round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        6 infantry moved from Sikang to Shensi
        1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Shensi

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Shensi
            Chinese attack with 7 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 7 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 0/7 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 7 infantry in Shensi, round 3 : 0/7 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 7 infantry in Shensi, round 4 : 2/7 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shensi
            Chinese win, taking Shensi from Japanese with 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 infantry placed in Kansu
        1 infantry placed in Shensi

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 8 PUs; end with 9 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -1.50
Japanese regular : -1.00

Savegame

sorry i forgot to pull bat and cruiser to sz 91 in CM

i assume no scramble there

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 5 infantry, 1 marine, 1 submarine and 8 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Americans
        Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States

    Combat Move - Americans
        Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Americans
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra

    Combat - Americans
        Americans creates battle in territory 54 Sea Zone
        Battle in Malaya
        Battle in Sumatra

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 3 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil
              Americans take Brazil from Neutral_Allies
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern United States to 91 Sea Zone
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to Central United States
        1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Western United States to Central United States
        1 bomber moved from Western United States to Queensland

    Place Units - Americans
        5 infantry placed in Central United States
        1 marine placed in Central United States
        Americans undo move 2.
        Americans undo move 1.
        4 infantry placed in Central United States
        7 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 marine placed in Western United States
        1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
        Americans undo move 4.
        1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
        1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 56 PUs; end with 56 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 66 PUs
        Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 76 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        6 infantry moved from Sikang to Shensi
        1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Shensi

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Shensi
            Chinese attack with 7 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 7 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 0/7 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 7 infantry in Shensi, round 3 : 0/7 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 7 infantry in Shensi, round 4 : 2/7 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shensi
            Chinese win, taking Shensi from Japanese with 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 infantry placed in Kansu
        1 infantry placed in Shensi

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 8 PUs; end with 9 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 106 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 infantry moved from Kenya to Italian Somaliland
              British take Italian Somaliland from Italians
        1 artillery moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
              British take Ethiopia from Italians
        1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
        1 infantry moved from Persia to Iraq
        1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq
        1 infantry moved from India to Burma
              UK_Pacific take Burma from Japanese
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Egypt to Alexandria
        2 fighters moved from Egypt to Iraq
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Iraq
        2 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria

    Combat - British
        Battle in Morocco
        Battle in Iraq
            British attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry
                British roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
                2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Iraq
                British roll dice for 3 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Iraq
            British win, taking Morocco from Italians, taking Iraq from Neutral_Axis with 3 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry
        Battle in Alexandria
            British attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Alexandria
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Alexandria, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Alexandria, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Alexandria
                1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Alexandria
            British win, taking Alexandria from Italians with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        6 aaGuns, 5 artilleries, 6 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from India to Burma
        2 fighters moved from Iraq to Egypt
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        2 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
        1 transport moved from 72 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 83 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 124 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from United Kingdom to Scotland
        1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone

    Place Units - British
        1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 109 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer placed in 71 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 artillery placed in Egypt
        1 submarine placed in 81 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - British
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 98 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4,6,1
        British collect 33 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 33 PUs
        Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 36 PUs
        Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 39 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 destroyer placed in 39 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 39 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,3
        UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 6 PUs
        Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 9 PUs
        Some Units in 39 Sea Zone change ownership: 1 destroyer

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -1.50
Italians regular : 0.00
Japanese regular : -1.00
Neutral_Axis regular : 0.67
British regular : -3.00

Savegame

Triple allied move done

No edits

Our cool game goes on

Italy on the move

Godspeed :)