Ideas on a counter?

@Cornwallis You do have to reinforce Algeria. Typically you take the Med transport and the transport near Ireland/UK to bring 4 units + 2-3 ftrs, put the Med DD to block bombards and Italy should have very few options.

@Cornwallis Do a search for Gibastion on this site and you’ll find several methods to try.

@Cornwallis

R1: buy 3 SB’s (and buy one SB every turn after)
UK1: buy 2 SB’s. bomb W German Air Base with original bomber first turn.
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When both Russia and UK at war together, level both German Major IC’s every single turn if need be.

This will grind Germany to a halt. They will have to pay $20-$40 every turn

If Germany immediately goes for Sea Lion due to UK not putting land units turn one, send 3 bombers and 4 ftrs to sink their navy, including all the trns. You can position MED AC at Gibraltar to catch two ftrs, but if that is not an option then buy 2 AC’s turn two so you can send four ftrs. If you don’t sink the trns, you will have wiped out all of the warships and/or some planes and now will have two AC’s (possibly more boats depending on what happened) with a UK ftr, tac, and French ftr blocking the landing.

Germany will most likely not have any boats left, maybe one. They are going to have to send all of their planes to clear the new fleet in 110 so Sea Lion is either dead in the water or a phryic victory.

Make sure to keep Scotland protected - no freebees. And if London does fall, it will be with very limited ground units so UK should be able to take it right back with units from Scotland.

@surfer said in Ideas on a counter?:

@Cornwallis Gibastion. Make a fortress at Gibraltar with the fleet and (typically) an airbase.
Prevents Sealion because you can get back to UK as a block and all those transports can’t do anything.
Prevents Italian NO.
Protects Egypt as the Italians can’t go without the UK Med fleet stomping them.

It will eventually link with the US and ferry troops across.

I just developed a counter strategy to Gibastion for the Axis.

Algerian Snake barely works and cripples Italy for the game and Germany loses bombers finishing up the maneuver.

Operation Felix flips Gibastion on its head and guarantees a super easy Sea Lion as well as a fortress in both Spain and Gibraltar to block USA from coming right in.
You can spare trns to take Eire and Scotland to deny landing spots for American bombers. And London becomes a fortress too with 11 trns ready to shuck inf to London when America comes calling.
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/42427/operation-felix

I played Italy and to a lesser extent Germany so badly trying out this strat but it still worked as planned. I learned from all of my mistakes so next time doing this strat should be much much better I believe.

I decided to have America go right to liberate London but because of the large amount of units Germany had in London had to spend a few turns building up fleet and enough trns to credibly take London back. That was turn 8. In hindsight, America should have abandoned Europe and gone right for the Pacific. (although prior game, America abandoned Europe to go for Pacific and it ended very badly for the allies so I decided to go London this game… also to a disaster lol)

@dazedwit

Nice

Every version of G 40 I’ve played seems kill Nippon first and kill SSR first works the best. A matter of how to do it tactically, as your discussion acknowledges, is the problem and solutuion.

Not to bug I hope but I think I pitched this to you before ?

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/36945/axis-allies-global-1940-house-rules-expansion

anyway, many more options here and once you get triplea sorted, OOB or a mod, you’ll be able to get way more games/testing in.

Rock On

@Cornwallis Usually yes, I buy an airbase. But like everything the Allies do, it depends upon the G1 move and what the bid units are.

Generally, the German attack on the UK fleet is a near zero TUV battle and loses many Luftwaffe planes early in the game when it is hard for Germany to recover.

Ideally, I setup for a defense of Algeria so that any German attack is impossible. That often means that I don’t need the airbase since no planes land there.

Operation Felix is something I’ve never seen/tried. Against a game that has been balanced by a reasonable bid, I would believe that the disregard of the UK fleet is a mistake by the Germans, even if it is temporarily trapped in Med. It would seem that the loss of Norway NO, conversion of all neutrals to pro-allied, and the rise of the Russians would make that gambit fail in the long run. The Allies can lose UK early and still recover.

@surfer

I played out entire game to see if Felix would be the Axis downfall. As badly as I played Italy (so bad) and Germany doing this strategy it still worked.

Felix kept America out of Europe until US took Norway turn 7 in prep for London liberation which may not have happened because Germany had like 17 inf in London

The Iberian peninsula was an absolute fortress so US couldn’t come usual way.

Russia became a monster during this game which had more to do with Sea Lion than Felix. I learned for future to attack Russia same turn as London to get some breathing space.

Because of the Russian bear Japan was going to have to win the game and they did taking Sydney and then Hawai was going to be next. Allies conceded US8 before London could be liberated

@surfer

And trapped UK fleet was knocked down to damaged battleship and damaged AC UK2 after wiping out entire Italian fleet.

German subs finished them off

@Cornwallis
At Triple A having the Krauts take and hold Gib is all the rage…you can thank me and Preatorian.

The counters

1. The Russians become unconquerable and should buy 6 arty and 2 armor turn 1…setting up powerful counterattacks.
2. Brits buy a Destroyer and use it to block the Germs from heading South to Gib. Ftrs too, if done right you can make Gib a Bastion quickly.
   Learn how to block. I did ths to Preatorian and demoralized him as he spent huge efforts attempting to take Gib…turn 4 came, still he did not have Gib. Ivan was akso ready to kick his teeth in on the Ost Front…he was done.
3. USA best be ready to support the Brits at Gib on turn 4. Not saying ignore the Pacific, just you better be ready to move in force. Subs are a good buy.

If Germany is buying fleet they are weak on East Front. Don’t just buy 11 inf every turn, immediately buy offensive pieces with Russia. Only a handful of people play Russia well…Werf is the best. I am next.

Germany buying a crap load of fleet is all the rage. People don’t adjust their buys to it and get slaughtered as a result. ADAPT people, don’t be a robot buying the same stuff no matter what.