Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final

@gamerman01 said in Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final:

@The_Good_Captain So Madagascar not an island and can’t save stranded fighters - fascinating. I did start liking the quirkiness of Classic some months ago. The subs withdrawing into a factory zone and causing the whole naval build to be destroyed was particularly fascinating.
(I know we’re playing we can build into the zone - a great adaptation)

I have never seen a naval build be destroyed. There is quite a lot of counterplay that if it happened, I would say its the fault of anyone but the owner of the sub.

What I have seen is when a sub retreats into a zone where a carrier is supposed to be to “catch” its fighters after missing in the combat and subsequently being removed for failure to land. I have seen subs kill planes in that way - I’ve never seen a build be K/O’d in the manner you described but there’s always a first.

@gamerman01 said in Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final:

Oh! I might have misunderstood someone, but

I thought you (normally) can’t build ships into an enemy occupied zone.
A player could build a navy, attack a sub that’s in the factory zone and fail, the sub submerges in the battle and then the player couldn’t place the navy.

There is no submerge in Axis and Allies 2nd Edition. (That’s one the abominations of “3rd edition”) The sub is forced to retreat thereby clearing the zone for placement of naval units.

Also, I was warned that if the building player unwittingly attacked a sub that was in a zone next to the factory zone and the defender withdrew the sub to the factory zone that again that navy could not be built.

All this is correct. Keyword is ‘unwittingly’. Know the rules - Know Problem (my joke).

Pages 11 and 21, I would think not being able to place a navy would not even be super rare. I’m posting this only because you know the rules front and back and I’m trying to understand them

I haven’t seen it yet. You’ll be the first I reach out to when I do though, trust.

@gamerman01 said in Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final:

@The_Good_Captain said in Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final:

I need to always play with the appendix IV optional rule of placing ships in enemy occupied zone or I know I will lose a UK purchase when I attack a sub in a neighboring zone and he withdraws it to the UK zone

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game in which a German sub existed adjacent to the UK sea zone while at the same time there were no allied ships in the UK sea zone. In this…extraordinarily rare situation the counter play options are build naval units like normal and have your allies destroy the German subs after you’re safely in the SZ or save all your IPC (common in my experience but not having anything to do with German subs).

You’ve had this experience? In any case, I encourage the use of the optional rule just to avoid long conversations … (lol)

@gamerman01 ^that was a bad joke to say through text. I love long conversations on this game.

@The_Good_Captain Ah, that makes sense! AAC-BuildCaps is not my module, not sure whose it is. Mine is the Classic League one space below in your list 😊

I am still having a hiatus by the way, but I just happened to see this. My life is now unfortunately very busy. But I hope to come back in the future!

And the best of luck on you guys’ game!

@gamerman01

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 bomber and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        2 infantry moved from Manchuria to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from China to Sinkiang
        1 bomber moved from French Indo China to Sinkiang
        2 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to Caroline Islands Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Borneo Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Borneo Celebes to Borneo Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Borneo Sea Zone to North Australia Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from North Australia Sea Zone to Australia
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to New Guinea Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from New Guinea to New Guinea Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from New Guinea Sea Zone to North Australia Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from North Australia Sea Zone to Australia
        2 battleships moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to North Australia Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Australia

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Australia
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters and 4 infantry
            British defend with 2 infantry; Americans defend with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships in Australia, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 4 infantry in Australia, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 fighter and 4 infantry in Australia, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Australia
                2 infantry owned by the Americans and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Australia
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Australia, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 fighter in Australia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Australia
            Japanese win, taking Australia from British with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
            Casualties for Japanese: 3 infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 2 infantry
        Battle in Yakut S.S.R.
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yakut S.S.R.
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Yakut S.S.R.
            Japanese win, taking Yakut S.S.R. from Russians with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Sinkiang
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Sinkiang, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Sinkiang, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Sinkiang, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Sinkiang, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Sinkiang, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Sinkiang, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Sinkiang
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Sinkiang
            Japanese win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        2 fighters moved from Australia to North Australia Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to North Australia Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from French Indo China to India
        1 infantry moved from China to French Indo China
        2 infantry moved from Manchuria to China
        1 armour moved from Manchuria to China
        1 submarine moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to North Australia Sea Zone
        8 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone
        8 infantry moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria
        1 bomber moved from Sinkiang to French Indo China
        1 fighter moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Manchuria

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 bomber and 7 infantry placed in Japan

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 36 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.00
Japanese regular : -1.17
Russians regular : 0.33
British regular : 0.33

J3.tsvg Allies: +1.17

@gamerman01

ncm edit if youre okay with it J3 edit ncm.tsvg