Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final

The_Good_Captain

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        3 fighters moved from East Europe to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 armour moved from French Equatorial Africa to Congo
              Germans take Congo from British
        1 armour moved from Congo to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 infantry moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.
        2 fighters moved from West Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 bomber moved from West Europe to East US Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Anglo Sudan Egypt
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 3 fighters and 1 infantry
            British defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 3 fighters and 1 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the British lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
            Germans win, taking Anglo Sudan Egypt from British with 1 armour, 3 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 4 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            2 fighters owned by the Germans retreated
            Russians win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in East US Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 bomber
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber in East US Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 transport in East US Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in East US Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 fighters moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Europe
        3 fighters moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Libya
        1 submarine moved from West Mediteranean Sea Zone to Central Mediteranean Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from East US Sea Zone to West Europe
        2 infantry moved from South Europe to West Europe
        8 infantry moved from Germany to East Europe
        1 aaGun moved from East Europe to South Europe

    Place Units - Germans
        12 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 32 PUs; end with 34 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0.17
Russians regular : 0.00
Germans regular : -3.33
British regular : -0.67

G2.tsvg Allies: +0.83

gamerman01

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 fighter and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 8 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Kenya-Rhodesia to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 bomber moved from Italian East Africa to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 armour moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 transport moved from North Sea Zone to West Africa Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from West Africa Sea Zone to French West Africa
              British take French West Africa from Germans

    Combat - British
        Battle in Anglo Sudan Egypt
            British attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
                1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
            British win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        COMMENT: 2 UK on Russia TP
        1 armour moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 1 transport moved from North Sea Zone to West Africa Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from West Africa Sea Zone to French West Africa
        2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from Red Sea Zone to East Compass Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Kazakh S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Caucasus

    Place Units - British
        1 fighter and 4 infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 23 PUs; end with 31 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.00
British regular : 0.33

Savegame

gamerman01

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 fighter and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 8 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Kenya-Rhodesia to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 bomber moved from Italian East Africa to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 armour moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 transport moved from North Sea Zone to West Africa Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from West Africa Sea Zone to French West Africa
              British take French West Africa from Germans

    Combat - British
        Battle in Anglo Sudan Egypt
            British attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
                1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
            British win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        COMMENT: 2 UK on Russia TP
        1 armour moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 1 transport moved from North Sea Zone to West Africa Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from West Africa Sea Zone to French West Africa
        2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from Red Sea Zone to East Compass Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Kazakh S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Caucasus

    Place Units - British
        1 fighter and 4 infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 23 PUs; end with 31 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Kazakh S.S.R.: 1 bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Novosibirsk: 1 bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.00
British regular : 0.33

Savegame

gamerman01

If it’s not too late… UK bomb to Nov instead of Kazakh S.S.R…

The_Good_Captain

@gamerman01 said in Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final:

Man it’s so great to have you around. I’m glad to know the rules.

Is Australia an island for purposes of landing stranded fighters?

No. Page 8, right column - see definition of an “island”.

The_Good_Captain

@gamerman01

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 8 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from China to Sinkiang
              Japanese take Sinkiang from Americans
        1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Yakut S.S.R.
              Japanese take Yakut S.S.R. from Russians

    Combat - Japanese

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 transport moved from Japan Sea Zone to Wake Island Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Wake Island to Wake Island Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Wake Island Sea Zone to Caroline Islands Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from Japan Sea Zone to Caroline Islands Sea Zone
        1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Manchuria to French Indo China
        1 infantry moved from China to French Indo China
        2 infantry moved from Manchuria to China
        1 aaGun, 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from Japan Sea Zone to Caroline Islands Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria

    Place Units - Japanese
        8 infantry placed in Japan
        1 transport placed in Japan Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 36 PUs; end with 37 PUs

J2.tsvg Allies: +0.68

gamerman01

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        2 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Yakut S.S.R.
        2 fighters moved from Syria Jordan to Central Mediteranean Sea Zone

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Central Mediteranean Sea Zone
            Russians attack with 2 fighters
            Germans defend with 1 submarine
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters in Central Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Central Mediteranean Sea Zone
            Russians win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
        Battle in Yakut S.S.R.
            Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Yakut S.S.R.
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yakut S.S.R.
            Russians win, taking Yakut S.S.R. from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk
        2 fighters moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to Caucasus
        3 armour moved from Finland Norway to Russia
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from North Sea Zone to West Africa Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from North Sea Zone to West Africa Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Russia to Novosibirsk
        1 aaGun moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Finland Norway to Karelia S.S.R.
        2 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Caucasus
        1 armour moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia

    Place Units - Russians
        6 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R.
        3 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 27 PUs; end with 28 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0.33
Russians regular : -0.50

Savegame

The_Good_Captain

@gamerman01

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.
        2 fighters moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.
        2 fighters moved from Libya to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 bomber moved from West Europe to Karelia S.S.R.

    Combat - Germans
        Strategic bombing raid in Karelia S.S.R.
                Russians roll AA dice in Karelia S.S.R. : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in Karelia S.S.R. rolls: 6 and costs: 6 PUs.
            Bombing raid costs 6 PUs
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans attack with 4 fighters and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans win with 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 fighters moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to West Europe
        1 fighter moved from Libya to West Europe
        2 fighters moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Europe
        1 bomber moved from Karelia S.S.R. to West Europe
        11 infantry moved from Germany to East Europe
        1 infantry moved from Germany to East Europe

    Place Units - Germans
        11 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 31 PUs; end with 32 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 0.67
Germans regular : -1.17
Russians AA : -0.17

G3.tsvg Allies: +0.02

VictoryFirst

@The_Good_Captain

I am not sure where the 17 comes from, because the limit should definitely be 15.

The_Good_Captain

@VictoryFirst I think? we’re good. It’s whatever this module is. Thanks my dude!

gamerman01

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 armour, 6 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 bomber moved from Novosibirsk to Germany
        1 armour moved from French West Africa to Anglo Sudan Egypt
              British take French Equatorial Africa from Germans
              British take Anglo Sudan Egypt from Germans
        1 armour moved from French West Africa to Libya
              British take Algeria from Germans
              British take Libya from Germans

    Combat - British
        Strategic bombing raid in Germany
            Bombing raid in Germany rolls: 4 and costs: 4 PUs.
            Bombing raid costs 4 PUs

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Karelia S.S.R.
        2 infantry moved from West Africa Sea Zone to French West Africa
        1 carrier and 2 transports moved from West Africa Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from North Sea Zone to Finland Norway
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Karelia S.S.R. to North Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from East Compass Sea Zone to South Australia Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from West Canada to West US
        1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Karelia S.S.R.

    Place Units - British
        1 transport placed in North Sea Zone
        1 armour and 6 infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 28 PUs; end with 28 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

gamerman01

@The_Good_Captain So Madagascar not an island and can’t save stranded fighters - fascinating. I did start liking the quirkiness of Classic some months ago. The subs withdrawing into a factory zone and causing the whole naval build to be destroyed was particularly fascinating.
(I know we’re playing we can build into the zone - a great adaptation)

The_Good_Captain

@gamerman01 said in Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final:

@The_Good_Captain So Madagascar not an island and can’t save stranded fighters - fascinating. I did start liking the quirkiness of Classic some months ago. The subs withdrawing into a factory zone and causing the whole naval build to be destroyed was particularly fascinating.
(I know we’re playing we can build into the zone - a great adaptation)

I have never seen a naval build be destroyed. There is quite a lot of counterplay that if it happened, I would say its the fault of anyone but the owner of the sub.

What I have seen is when a sub retreats into a zone where a carrier is supposed to be to “catch” its fighters after missing in the combat and subsequently being removed for failure to land. I have seen subs kill planes in that way - I’ve never seen a build be K/O’d in the manner you described but there’s always a first.

gamerman01

Oh! I might have misunderstood someone, but

I thought you (normally) can’t build ships into an enemy occupied zone.
A player could build a navy, attack a sub that’s in the factory zone and fail, the sub submerges in the battle and then the player couldn’t place the navy.

Also, I was warned that if the building player unwittingly attacked a sub that was in a zone next to the factory zone and the defender withdrew the sub to the factory zone that again that navy could not be built.

Pages 11 and 21, I would think not being able to place a navy would not even be super rare. I’m posting this only because you know the rules front and back and I’m trying to understand them

The_Good_Captain

@gamerman01 said in Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final:

Oh! I might have misunderstood someone, but

I thought you (normally) can’t build ships into an enemy occupied zone.
A player could build a navy, attack a sub that’s in the factory zone and fail, the sub submerges in the battle and then the player couldn’t place the navy.

There is no submerge in Axis and Allies 2nd Edition. (That’s one the abominations of “3rd edition”) The sub is forced to retreat thereby clearing the zone for placement of naval units.

Also, I was warned that if the building player unwittingly attacked a sub that was in a zone next to the factory zone and the defender withdrew the sub to the factory zone that again that navy could not be built.

All this is correct. Keyword is ‘unwittingly’. Know the rules - Know Problem (my joke).

Pages 11 and 21, I would think not being able to place a navy would not even be super rare. I’m posting this only because you know the rules front and back and I’m trying to understand them

I haven’t seen it yet. You’ll be the first I reach out to when I do though, trust.

gamerman01

@The_Good_Captain said in Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final:

Pages 11 and 21, I would think not being able to place a navy would not even be super rare. I’m posting this only because you know the rules front and back and I’m trying to understand them

I haven’t seen it yet. You’ll be the first I reach out to when I do though, trust.

Thank you for your patience

I need to always play with the appendix IV optional rule of placing ships in enemy occupied zone or I know I will lose a UK purchase when I attack a sub in a neighboring zone and he withdraws it to the UK zone

I hope I can remember that submerging is not 2nd edition. Same person who warned me about the lost navies I think also talked about submerging rules and I didn’t realize it’s not in 2nd edition

The_Good_Captain

@gamerman01 said in Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final:

@The_Good_Captain said in Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final:

I need to always play with the appendix IV optional rule of placing ships in enemy occupied zone or I know I will lose a UK purchase when I attack a sub in a neighboring zone and he withdraws it to the UK zone

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game in which a German sub existed adjacent to the UK sea zone while at the same time there were no allied ships in the UK sea zone. In this…extraordinarily rare situation the counter play options are build naval units like normal and have your allies destroy the German subs after you’re safely in the SZ or save all your IPC (common in my experience but not having anything to do with German subs).

You’ve had this experience? In any case, I encourage the use of the optional rule just to avoid long conversations … (lol)

The_Good_Captain

@gamerman01 ^that was a bad joke to say through text. I love long conversations on this game.

gamerman01

@The_Good_Captain said in Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final:

I love long conversations on this game.

Great!! I’m a windy guy

VictoryFirst

@The_Good_Captain Ah, that makes sense! AAC-BuildCaps is not my module, not sure whose it is. Mine is the Classic League one space below in your list 😊

I am still having a hiatus by the way, but I just happened to see this. My life is now unfortunately very busy. But I hope to come back in the future!

And the best of luck on you guys’ game!

Gamerman01 v TheGoodCaptain (+8) Loser bracket final

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