LeeMorrison (+6) v Gamerman01 (Allies) Classic Tourn Loser bracket round 3

Life has been in a bit of an upheaval the past few days.

I’m looking forward to sitting down and playing the next move, but not sure when, right now
I hope you don’t mind, thanks

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 9

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Classic

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 3 fighters and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Italian East Africa
              British take Italian East Africa from Japanese
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from South Pacific Sea Zone to South Australia Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from South Australia Sea Zone to Australia
              British take Australia from Japanese
        2 fighters moved from South Pacific Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
        2 bombers and 3 fighters moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Japan Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Japan Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 2 bombers and 5 fighters
            Japanese defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 transports
                Americans roll dice for 2 bombers and 5 fighters in Japan Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 3.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 2 transports in Japan Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                3 fighters owned by the Americans lost in Japan Sea Zone
                2 transports owned by the Japanese and 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in Japan Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 2 bombers and 2 fighters in Japan Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -1.17
Japanese regular : 0.17

Savegame

Thank you for your patience for this move!

I assumed casualties for round 1 of the Sea of Japan attack, but I need to ask you for 2 more casualties - see file posted

Thanks, and it shouldn’t take me too long to finish through Russia 10 after that

@leemorrison told me by e-mail to lose a fighter and the carrier

Here is a nail-biter roll…

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 9

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Classic

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 3 fighters and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Italian East Africa
              British take Italian East Africa from Japanese
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from South Pacific Sea Zone to South Australia Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from South Australia Sea Zone to Australia
              British take Australia from Japanese
        2 fighters moved from South Pacific Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
        2 bombers and 3 fighters moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Japan Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Japan Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 2 bombers and 5 fighters
            Japanese defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 transports
                Americans roll dice for 2 bombers and 5 fighters in Japan Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 3.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 2 transports in Japan Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                3 fighters owned by the Americans lost in Japan Sea Zone
                2 transports owned by the Japanese and 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in Japan Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 2 bombers and 2 fighters in Japan Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier and 2 fighters in Japan Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                2 fighters owned by the Americans and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Japan Sea Zone
                1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 1 carrier owned by the Japanese lost in Japan Sea Zone
            1 bomber owned by the Americans retreated
            Japanese win with 1 battleship and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -21
            Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber and 5 fighters
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 2 transports
            1 fighter owned by the Japanese forced to land in Japan

    Non Combat Move - Americans

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -1.17
Japanese regular : 0.67

Savegame

The Americans have to retreat after the Japanese score 3 more hits. The Americans will retreat 1 bomber and the Japanese still have 1 fighter and the battleship.

Play stops again because the fighter must land. I checked in the rulebook and under “fighters” it says “IMPORTANT: during combat, if a fighter is based on an aircraft carrier and the carrier is attacked and destroyed in battle, the fighter is not immediately destroyed - it is considered defending in the air (it defends at a strong die roll of 4). If it survives the battle, it must try to land on the same sea zone the battle takes place in - either on an island or another carrier…”

It says it has to land on an island, which would be Japan, but I’m guessing it was on oversight that often there is a coastal territory by the sea zone the fighter could land on.

@The_Good_Captain I suspect @leemorrison wants to land on Japan and not Manchuria anyway.
The question is, has this rule ever been officially clarified to correct it from “islands” to “adjacent land territory”? I don’t see it in the rules clarification either.

@leemorrison If you are electing for Japan anyway, then play can continue

Also! I am unclear on whether this decision is made immediately after the battle (it IS my last combat roll anyway) or if it’s made later. I don’t see where the rulebook specified this either, so I would think it’s immediately after the end of that roll.
That is assuming there is a choice at all. Even if fighters must actually only land on islands (I can’t imagine this is the case, but you’ve clarified stranger things before) there would definitely be a choice in the case of multinational carriers, so there must be some specific point in time a defender must decide where widowed planes land.

Oh, and interesting that TripleA landed the fighter on Japan right now and did not give a choice.

But I never assume TripleA is correct. 😏

Great, and interesting!

Does this mean stranded carriers off a coastline, like California or Kwangtung, would drown? That the rulebook is literal and correct? If so, WOW!!

Agh my hours are being grabbed from me so won’t be able to finish this afternoon