L25 PTV Adam514 (Axis+14) vs axis-dominion (Allies)

Adam514

TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 29

TripleA Move Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 29

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 armour, 21 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        2 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
        2 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
        3 fighters moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
        3 infantry moved from Austria to Northern Italy
        2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Albania
        1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
        1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
              Germans take Northern Belarus from Russians
        1 armour moved from Northern Belarus to Southern Belarus
        15 artilleries and 66 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Ukraine
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Bulgaria
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Albania
        2 fighters moved from Austria to Southern Italy
        2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Germany to Northern Italy
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Northern Italy
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Northern Italy
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Southern Italy
        1 bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Leningrad
        1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Leningrad

Savegame

Adam514

Any scrambles?

axis-dominion

none. thanks

Adam514

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 29

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 29

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 armour, 21 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        2 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
        2 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
        3 fighters moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
        3 infantry moved from Austria to Northern Italy
        2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Albania
        1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
        1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
              Germans take Northern Belarus from Russians
        1 armour moved from Northern Belarus to Southern Belarus
        15 artilleries and 66 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Ukraine
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Bulgaria
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Albania
        2 fighters moved from Austria to Southern Italy
        2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Germany to Northern Italy
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Northern Italy
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Northern Italy
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Southern Italy
        1 bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Leningrad
        1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Leningrad

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Northern Italy
            Germans attack with 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Northern Italy, round 2 : 7/10 hits, 4.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Northern Italy
                2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Northern Italy
            Germans win, taking Northern Italy from Americans with 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
        Battle in Southern Italy
            Germans attack with 5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers in Southern Italy, round 2 : 9/10 hits, 5.83 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Southern Italy, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Southern Italy
            Germans win with 5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 19
            Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 3 infantry
        Battle in Albania
            Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Albania, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Albania, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Albania
            Germans win, taking Albania from Americans with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Bulgaria
            Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Bulgaria, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Bulgaria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Bulgaria
            Germans win, taking Bulgaria from Americans with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Southern Belarus
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 15 artilleries and 66 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 15 artilleries and 66 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 2 : 19/82 hits, 19.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Southern Belarus
            Germans win, taking Southern Belarus from Russians with 1 armour, 15 artilleries and 66 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Ukraine
            Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine
            Germans win, taking Ukraine from Russians with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Leningrad
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Leningrad, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Leningrad, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Leningrad, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Leningrad, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Leningrad
            Germans win, taking Leningrad from Russians with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Germans attack with 5 fighters and 3 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 5 fighters and 3 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 2/8 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
            Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Americans with 5 fighters and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 infantry moved from Austria to Yugoslavia
        2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia
        1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Northern Belarus
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
        2 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
        1 bomber moved from Leningrad to Slovakia Hungary
        1 infantry moved from Karelia to Vyborg
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        2 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Eastern Poland
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Bulgaria to Slovakia Hungary
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Albania to Slovakia Hungary
        4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Northern Italy to Slovakia Hungary
        5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Southern Italy to Austria
        3 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
        1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone
        2 marines moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 marines moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        2 marines moved from 115 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
        7 carriers, 1 destroyer and 4 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
        10 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        2 artilleries moved from Austria to Slovakia Hungary
        9 infantry moved from Austria to Slovakia Hungary
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Austria
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Austria
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Austria

    Place Units - Germans
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany
        10 infantry placed in Germany
        8 infantry placed in Western Germany
        3 infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3,1,5,6,1
        Germans collect 58 PUs (6 lost to blockades); end with 58 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -2.67
Russians regular : -0.33
Germans regular : 6.17

Savegame

axis-dominion

TripleA Move Summary: Russians round 29

TripleA Move Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 29

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 10 artilleries and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        2 infantry moved from Kursk to Ukraine
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine
        1 armour, 19 artilleries and 63 infantry moved from Western India to Eastern India
        11 armour and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Baluchistan to Eastern India
        3 fighters moved from Iraq to Eastern India

Savegame

axis-dominion

scramble ?

Adam514

Perhaps you might allow the German fast to be in India? It was the intent, but forgot to make the move after the scramble decision.

axis-dominion

normally i would, and you know from all our history playing together that i would. however, i too had a very similar, equally bad blunder a few rounds ago and i was pretty clear i fully intended to send my russian figs but totally glitched when i woke up and rushed the turn before jumping into my work meetings. i got no forgiveness on that, so apparently this will be a game of blunders…

Adam514

@axis-dominion You didn’t ask for it to be fixed, and that was after dice were rolled. And after that mistake, we both continued with our typical edits without asking. Drawing the line here is inconsistent, as you said.

axis-dominion

i didn’t ask but i was very upset about the blunder and stated what my intentions were clearly, i was expecting you might volunteer to offer me a second chance without me having to ask or beg lol. yes dice were rolled but that battle was very inconsequential. and realizing the mistake after a scramble decision request is posted as in this case is very much equal to a dice roll, in terms of being able to take back and redo or edit. i blundered big and you jumped on it, and now we’re even. there’s no way you’d take india any time soon otherwise and this would be a different game right now.

Adam514

It is not up to me to offer the edit because I’m not the one making the move. This edit was also not simply a move, it involved undoing an attack or doing it with a different amount of units, the details of which need to be decided by that nation’s player.

We are not even, because I have not refused an edit.

Adam514

Also I didn’t “jump on it”. I asked for a bogus scramble order so that no dice are rolled before you see the situation.

axis-dominion

again from my perspective, it is a very similar situation. of course i would want a rollback, i’ve invested countless hours only to make such an obvious mistake, if i didn’t want a rollback why would i even mention what my intention was? i didn’t think i needed to ask explicitly, and was disappointed that you didn’t even offer.

earlier in the game before my obvious blunder, when you left your two tps vulnerable to an easy sub snipe, i had the courtesy to ask you if that was intentional, and if it was, i was very willing to offer you an edit, even tho a whole turn had gone by…

one thing i’m willing to do, if you’re up for it, is rollback to that russian turn and allow me to redo it. that would cancel both blunders and we move forward from there.

otherwise. a blunder for a blunder, and i think we should get your scramble decision and move on.

Adam514

Let’s just scrap the game.

axis-dominion

sounds good to me

mikawagunichi

@axis-dominion FWIW all the recent SL games had our wheels turning and @Stucifer and I are in the middle of a test game where Axis force SL despite max turtling by London. 19 inf bought between UK 1+2, used TP from 112 -->109 to kill 2 German units dumped in Scotland. No scrambles, kept all air in London and brought up the fig from Gib. Here are the odds on the SL, and this is with a somewhat ridiculous 13 TPs:

And with a tac bomber added in that was lost on G1:

So with average dice and massive investment in TPs, they still have to kill 2 planes to take London with 1 land unit. And Russian will be a juggernaut in a game like that.

Stucifer

Pardon the thread invasion. I have been summoned and peeked at page 15 discussion of Sealion.

@axis-dominion I opted not to SL (at least this round 😈) in our game as my odds if you threw everything + the kitchen sink into defending London I was at around 30%

Mentioned to @mikawagunichi that for a stronger defense of London he had to move the carrier to 94 like you did in our game, but he’s trying to see if holding Calcutta using the Egypt planes sets him back too far. Since London fell I think it did, although UK Pacific will be healthy for a long time.

I think a SL-dominant meta would shift Axis bid lower if it continues to be difficult to counter and win against as Allies. Especially at an even playing level

Stucifer

Clarifying that I only pointed the carrier to 94 out when I was mulling over how bad my odds for London are in my game with AD. Your positioning in our game is excellent to prevent a SL. It is by dint of dice that allows a good player to challenge a great player like you or Adam and have a chance

L25 PTV Adam514 (Axis+14) vs axis-dominion (Allies)

TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 29

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 29

TripleA Move Summary: Russians round 29

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