L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam

Adam514

@axis-dominion said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

let’s call it. i can trap your retreating brits and crush them, but seems like no matter how many big battles i win, allies just keep coming back stronger. def that would not be the case with bm. i think axis are seriously disadvantaged by lack of can opening. i think that was the one huge advantage they had in prev editions, and without that, they are going to need help with ever higher bids.

i’m not sure what else i could’ve done… seems like soon as you swung over to pac japan was doomed… and without that threat allies had all the time in their favor.

i’m genuinely at a loss… won massive battles, italy and germany so powerful and japan was holding out well, yet everything collapsed in a matter of a few turns once you swung over and spammed subs. the sub spamming is def ridiculous as well.

You were very close to winning. Had the UK attack on the smaller Japanese fleet not gone well for me, I would have conceded.

The fleet swinging over works because it relegates the Axis investment in navy to just convoying. The same can and should be done in BM.

I don’t think the sub spam specifically had impact. It could have been any naval unit.

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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 19

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 19

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 airfield, 2 armour, 11 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 3 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        6 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Northern Caucasus to Stalingrad
        3 infantry moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        1 artillery moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Kursk
        1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Kazakhstan
        3 fighters moved from Rostov to Kazakhstan
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Kursk
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Kursk
        1 fighter moved from Rostov to Kazakhstan
        1 fighter moved from Rostov to Kursk
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 118 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 submarine
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 118 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 118 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 118 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
        Battle in Kursk
            Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Kursk, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kursk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kursk
            Germans win, taking Kursk from Russians with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Kazakhstan
            Germans attack with 4 fighters and 1 mech_infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 1 mech_infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kazakhstan
            Germans win, taking Kazakhstan from Russians with 4 fighters and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Stalingrad
            Germans attack with 9 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 3 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 9 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys in Stalingrad, round 2 : 9/22 hits, 8.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Stalingrad, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Stalingrad
                3 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Stalingrad
            Germans win, taking Stalingrad from Russians with 9 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 93 Sea Zone: 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 94 Sea Zone: 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus
        4 fighters moved from Kazakhstan to Rostov
        1 fighter moved from Kursk to Rostov
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        1 carrier moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from France to Western Germany
        4 fighters and 6 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from France to Yugoslavia
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 94 Sea Zone to Yugoslavia
        1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
        1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 94 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern France
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
        2 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
        1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        2 transports moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        16 armour and 15 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
        4 carriers moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 84 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 84 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 87 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Kursk to Bessarabia
        3 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia

    Place Units - Germans
        1 airfield placed in Yugoslavia
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 tactical_bombers placed in Romania
        3 infantry placed in Leningrad
        Germans undo move 4.
        10 infantry placed in Western Germany
        1 infantry placed in Leningrad

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 128 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 108 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,6
        Germans collect 58 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 58 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 61 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 74 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 84 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 0.17
Germans regular : 0.00

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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 19

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 19

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 airfield, 2 armour, 11 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 3 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        6 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Northern Caucasus to Stalingrad
        3 infantry moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        1 artillery moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Kursk
        1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Kazakhstan
        3 fighters moved from Rostov to Kazakhstan
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Kursk
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Kursk
        1 fighter moved from Rostov to Kazakhstan
        1 fighter moved from Rostov to Kursk
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 118 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 submarine
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 118 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 118 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 118 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
        Battle in Kursk
            Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Kursk, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kursk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kursk
            Germans win, taking Kursk from Russians with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Kazakhstan
            Germans attack with 4 fighters and 1 mech_infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 1 mech_infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kazakhstan
            Germans win, taking Kazakhstan from Russians with 4 fighters and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Stalingrad
            Germans attack with 9 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 3 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 9 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys in Stalingrad, round 2 : 9/22 hits, 8.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Stalingrad, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Stalingrad
                3 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Stalingrad
            Germans win, taking Stalingrad from Russians with 9 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 93 Sea Zone: 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 94 Sea Zone: 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus
        4 fighters moved from Kazakhstan to Rostov
        1 fighter moved from Kursk to Rostov
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        1 carrier moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from France to Western Germany
        4 fighters and 6 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from France to Yugoslavia
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 94 Sea Zone to Yugoslavia
        1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
        1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 94 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern France
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
        2 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
        1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        2 transports moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        16 armour and 15 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
        4 carriers moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 84 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 84 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 87 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Kursk to Bessarabia
        3 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia

    Place Units - Germans
        1 airfield placed in Yugoslavia
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 tactical_bombers placed in Romania
        3 infantry placed in Leningrad
        Germans undo move 4.
        10 infantry placed in Western Germany
        1 infantry placed in Leningrad

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 128 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 108 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,6
        Germans collect 58 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 58 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 61 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 74 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 84 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Leningrad: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Leningrad: 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Yugoslavia: 3 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 3 fighters
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 94 Sea Zone: 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 2 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Yugoslavia: 2 fighters
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Leningrad: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Yugoslavia: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 0.17
Germans regular : 0.00

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@Adam514 said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

@axis-dominion said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

let’s call it. i can trap your retreating brits and crush them, but seems like no matter how many big battles i win, allies just keep coming back stronger. def that would not be the case with bm. i think axis are seriously disadvantaged by lack of can opening. i think that was the one huge advantage they had in prev editions, and without that, they are going to need help with ever higher bids.

i’m not sure what else i could’ve done… seems like soon as you swung over to pac japan was doomed… and without that threat allies had all the time in their favor.

i’m genuinely at a loss… won massive battles, italy and germany so powerful and japan was holding out well, yet everything collapsed in a matter of a few turns once you swung over and spammed subs. the sub spamming is def ridiculous as well.

You were very close to winning. Had the UK attack on the smaller Japanese fleet not gone well for me, I would have conceded.

The fleet swinging over works because it relegates the Axis investment in navy to just convoying. The same can and should be done in BM.

I don’t think the sub spam specifically had impact. It could have been any naval unit.

i’m not so sure that any naval unit would’ve had the same impact. i think the way you could just spam and throw them everywhere at japan was overpowering.

also this highlights another problem ptv has introduced compared to prev eds, the fact that allies could swing theatres still and make such a drastic impact whereas axis have a much harder time doing that. previously axis too could swing quickly and i think from that perspective it balanced out. axis in ptv can’t help each other or make impactful swings.

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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 19

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 19

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 airfield, 2 armour, 11 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 3 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        6 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Northern Caucasus to Stalingrad
        3 infantry moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        1 artillery moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Kursk
        1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Kazakhstan
        3 fighters moved from Rostov to Kazakhstan
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Kursk
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Kursk
        1 fighter moved from Rostov to Kazakhstan
        1 fighter moved from Rostov to Kursk
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 118 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 submarine
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 118 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 118 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 118 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
        Battle in Kursk
            Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Kursk, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kursk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kursk
            Germans win, taking Kursk from Russians with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Kazakhstan
            Germans attack with 4 fighters and 1 mech_infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 1 mech_infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kazakhstan
            Germans win, taking Kazakhstan from Russians with 4 fighters and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Stalingrad
            Germans attack with 9 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 3 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 9 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys in Stalingrad, round 2 : 9/22 hits, 8.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Stalingrad, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Stalingrad
                3 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Stalingrad
            Germans win, taking Stalingrad from Russians with 9 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 93 Sea Zone: 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 94 Sea Zone: 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus
        4 fighters moved from Kazakhstan to Rostov
        1 fighter moved from Kursk to Rostov
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        1 carrier moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from France to Western Germany
        4 fighters and 6 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from France to Yugoslavia
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 94 Sea Zone to Yugoslavia
        1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
        1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 94 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern France
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
        2 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
        1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        2 transports moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        16 armour and 15 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
        4 carriers moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 84 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 84 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 87 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Kursk to Bessarabia
        3 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia

    Place Units - Germans
        1 airfield placed in Yugoslavia
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 tactical_bombers placed in Romania
        3 infantry placed in Leningrad
        Germans undo move 4.
        10 infantry placed in Western Germany
        1 infantry placed in Leningrad

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 128 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 108 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,6
        Germans collect 58 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 58 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 61 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 74 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 84 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Leningrad: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Leningrad: 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Yugoslavia: 3 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 3 fighters
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 94 Sea Zone: 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 2 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Yugoslavia: 2 fighters
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Leningrad: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Yugoslavia: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Novgorod: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Southern Belarus: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Northern Belarus: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Northern Belarus: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Ukraine: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 0.17
Germans regular : 0.00

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@axis-dominion said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

@Adam514 said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

@axis-dominion said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

let’s call it. i can trap your retreating brits and crush them, but seems like no matter how many big battles i win, allies just keep coming back stronger. def that would not be the case with bm. i think axis are seriously disadvantaged by lack of can opening. i think that was the one huge advantage they had in prev editions, and without that, they are going to need help with ever higher bids.

i’m not sure what else i could’ve done… seems like soon as you swung over to pac japan was doomed… and without that threat allies had all the time in their favor.

i’m genuinely at a loss… won massive battles, italy and germany so powerful and japan was holding out well, yet everything collapsed in a matter of a few turns once you swung over and spammed subs. the sub spamming is def ridiculous as well.

You were very close to winning. Had the UK attack on the smaller Japanese fleet not gone well for me, I would have conceded.

The fleet swinging over works because it relegates the Axis investment in navy to just convoying. The same can and should be done in BM.

I don’t think the sub spam specifically had impact. It could have been any naval unit.

i’m not so sure that any naval unit would’ve had the same impact. i think the way you could just spam and throw them everywhere at japan was overpowering.

also this highlights another problem ptv has introduced compared to prev eds, the fact that allies could swing theatres still and make such a drastic impact whereas axis have a much harder time doing that. previously axis too could swing quickly and i think from that perspective it balanced out. axis in ptv can’t help each other or make impactful swings.

I think the Axis ability to impact the other theater was one part that made it difficult for the Allies to win in G40.

axis-dominion

@Adam514 said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

@axis-dominion said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

@Adam514 said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

@axis-dominion said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

let’s call it. i can trap your retreating brits and crush them, but seems like no matter how many big battles i win, allies just keep coming back stronger. def that would not be the case with bm. i think axis are seriously disadvantaged by lack of can opening. i think that was the one huge advantage they had in prev editions, and without that, they are going to need help with ever higher bids.

i’m not sure what else i could’ve done… seems like soon as you swung over to pac japan was doomed… and without that threat allies had all the time in their favor.

i’m genuinely at a loss… won massive battles, italy and germany so powerful and japan was holding out well, yet everything collapsed in a matter of a few turns once you swung over and spammed subs. the sub spamming is def ridiculous as well.

You were very close to winning. Had the UK attack on the smaller Japanese fleet not gone well for me, I would have conceded.

The fleet swinging over works because it relegates the Axis investment in navy to just convoying. The same can and should be done in BM.

I don’t think the sub spam specifically had impact. It could have been any naval unit.

i’m not so sure that any naval unit would’ve had the same impact. i think the way you could just spam and throw them everywhere at japan was overpowering.

also this highlights another problem ptv has introduced compared to prev eds, the fact that allies could swing theatres still and make such a drastic impact whereas axis have a much harder time doing that. previously axis too could swing quickly and i think from that perspective it balanced out. axis in ptv can’t help each other or make impactful swings.

I think the Axis ability to impact the other theater was one part that made it difficult for the Allies to win in G40.

but it was more balanced in that allies could do the same. now it’s just allies who can do this. in any case, looking back i realize that in turn 12 i could’ve sea lion’ed you with 100% odds. that was utlimately my big miss. besides that bad dicing i got on those two 50-50s in the pacific.

Adam514

@axis-dominion said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

@Adam514 said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

@axis-dominion said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

@Adam514 said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

@axis-dominion said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

let’s call it. i can trap your retreating brits and crush them, but seems like no matter how many big battles i win, allies just keep coming back stronger. def that would not be the case with bm. i think axis are seriously disadvantaged by lack of can opening. i think that was the one huge advantage they had in prev editions, and without that, they are going to need help with ever higher bids.

i’m not sure what else i could’ve done… seems like soon as you swung over to pac japan was doomed… and without that threat allies had all the time in their favor.

i’m genuinely at a loss… won massive battles, italy and germany so powerful and japan was holding out well, yet everything collapsed in a matter of a few turns once you swung over and spammed subs. the sub spamming is def ridiculous as well.

You were very close to winning. Had the UK attack on the smaller Japanese fleet not gone well for me, I would have conceded.

The fleet swinging over works because it relegates the Axis investment in navy to just convoying. The same can and should be done in BM.

I don’t think the sub spam specifically had impact. It could have been any naval unit.

i’m not so sure that any naval unit would’ve had the same impact. i think the way you could just spam and throw them everywhere at japan was overpowering.

also this highlights another problem ptv has introduced compared to prev eds, the fact that allies could swing theatres still and make such a drastic impact whereas axis have a much harder time doing that. previously axis too could swing quickly and i think from that perspective it balanced out. axis in ptv can’t help each other or make impactful swings.

I think the Axis ability to impact the other theater was one part that made it difficult for the Allies to win in G40.

but it was more balanced in that allies could do the same. now it’s just allies who can do this. in any case, looking back i realize that in turn 12 i could’ve sea lion’ed you with 100% odds. that was utlimately my big miss. besides that bad dicing i got on those two 50-50s in the pacific.

Yeah Sealion setup was on the table at times.

Adam514

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 19

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 19

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 13 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Vologda to Archangel
              Russians take Archangel from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Southern Belarus
              Russians take Southern Belarus from Germans
        2 infantry moved from Urals to Kazakhstan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Kazakhstan
        1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Kursk
        2 fighters moved from Russia to Kursk
        1 infantry moved from Tula to Kursk
        1 infantry moved from Yaroslavl to Novgorod
              Russians take Novgorod from Germans

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Kursk
            Russians attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Kursk, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Kursk, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kursk
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Kursk
            Russians win, taking Kursk from Germans with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Kazakhstan
            Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Kazakhstan
            Russians win, taking Kazakhstan from Germans with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Russia
        2 infantry moved from Urals to Samara
        1 aaGun and 8 infantry moved from Timguska to Urals
        1 infantry moved from Gorky to Nenetsia
        10 infantry moved from Russia to Samara
        2 fighters moved from Kursk to Russia
        1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
        1 aaGun moved from Russia to Samara
        1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
        1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
        1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.

    Place Units - Russians
        10 infantry placed in Russia
        3 infantry placed in Urals

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 36 PUs; end with 37 PUs
        Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 39 PUs
        Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 41 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.33
Russians regular : -0.83

Savegame

axis-dominion

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 19

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 19

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy nothing; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; 1 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        2 bombers moved from Iraq to Western Germany

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 13
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 38 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 7 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,5,3,3,6,6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,4,3,6,4,5,1,1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 132 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,6
        Japanese collect 0 PUs (13 lost to blockades); end with 6 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

Adam514

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 19

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 19

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 4 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 126 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
        5 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Iceland to 126 Sea Zone
        5 artilleries, 5 infantry and 5 transports moved from 126 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        5 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from United Kingdom to Southern France
        4 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Holland Belgium
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Scotland to Holland Belgium
        1 battleship and 1 marine moved from 126 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux

    Combat - Americans
        Americans creates battle in territory 128 Sea Zone
        Battle in Southern France
            Americans attack with 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
            Germans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in Southern France, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 3.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Southern France
            Americans win, taking 128 Sea Zone from Germans with 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
        Battle in Holland Belgium
            Americans attack with 1 artillery, 5 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 battleship in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Holland Belgium
            Americans win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 1 artillery, 5 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Americans attack with 5 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 marine
            Germans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 5 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 marine in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 2/11 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
            Americans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Germans with 5 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 marine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Southern France to 113 Sea Zone
        6 carriers, 11 destroyers and 5 submarines moved from 126 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Eastern United States to 113 Sea Zone
        5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to United Kingdom
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 126 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        1 destroyer and 2 submarines moved from 104 Sea Zone to 126 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 28 Sea Zone to 52 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 4 transports placed in 104 Sea Zone
        1 carrier placed in 104 Sea Zone
        4 artilleries and 2 fighters placed in Eastern United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 87 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,1
        Americans collect 66 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 67 PUs
        Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 82 PUs
        Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 87 PUs
        Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 92 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 97 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 102 PUs
        Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 107 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
        Chinese buy 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese

    Combat - Chinese

    Place Units - Chinese
        10 infantry placed in Western Sinkiang

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 27 PUs; end with 27 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 30 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 3 transports; Remaining resources: 8 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus
              Russians take Northern Caucasus from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Kenya to Ethiopia
              British take Ethiopia from Italians
        1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
              British take Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from Italians

    Combat - British
        British creates battle in territory 84 Sea Zone

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 aaGun, 1 armour, 14 artilleries, 39 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus
        1 infantry moved from Western India to Baluchistan
        1 infantry moved from Eastern India to Western India
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Gold Coast to French West Africa
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Iceland to 126 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 126 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 aaGuns and 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
        6 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 submarine moved from 84 Sea Zone to 73 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone

    Place Units - British
        3 transports placed in 113 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - British
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 84 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,6,6,5
        British collect 26 PUs; end with 34 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 artillery and 3 infantry placed in Eastern India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 14 PUs; end with 15 PUs
        Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 1 artillery and 3 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0.83
Germans regular : -0.33

Savegame

axis-dominion

we’ll call it for real. i don’t have the stomach for this abuse lol

gg

let me know if you’d be down for a rematch. let’s see if i can learn from some of these mistakes.

Adam514

Good game! Was a good one with fights all over. Didn’t look good for Allies at times.

Sure can rematch whenever. Bid?

axis-dominion

@Adam514 said in L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam:

Good game! Was a good one with fights all over. Didn’t look good for Allies at times.

Sure can rematch whenever. Bid?

yeah we can bid agaain or retry same bid and setup.

axis-dominion

any scrambles?

L25 PTV axis-dom (axis+14) vs adam

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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 19

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