Declared amphibious assault with supporting air units.. sea combat results in retreat. Air still have to fight?

@Colonel-Mustard

Not legal,
Firstly you unload your forces. Then the combat starts with the pre-combat shots ( BB-AA gun)
So you have to commit groundforces to even start the combat.

Also you get only 1 bombardment shot for each unloaded ground unit. So things like 10Battleships and 1 inf doesnt work either. ( it did in older versions )

I tried out Sea Lion in a game, again, with a few changes.  I did do a J1 because its just sooo good for Japan.

*before Sea Lion invasion, the U.S. positioned itself for Gibraltor route, rather than Canada.  So Germany used its cruiser in SZ104 and bombed Gibraltor’s naval base I2 so the U.S. could not counter attack.  Alternatively, if the U.K. hadn’t had planes in place to reinforce, I might’ve let U.S. retake London, so UK could collect on UK3, and Germany could just take London again on G4 and pocket 30ipc instead of 8.
*on G3, Germany bought a carrier for SZ110 so transports wouldn’t be sunk.  Bombers couldn’t hit because I’d taken Scotland on G2
*on G3 I bought 3 inf for Normandy so that they could end up in London on G4 with the 3 inf I could buy and prevent the U.S. from taking it.
*used all the inf from Norway/Finland for Sea Lion, except one as a blocker in Finland.  This left quite a lot of German troops in the way on mainland Europe, 25+.  I parked them in Romania along with Italy’s 2inf, 2arton G3 once Russia committed its stack to the southern route.  He never did attack there.

*also on G3/G4, I bought slow movers.  I had 10 transports available to take back Norway, Finland, and also hit Baltic States and Novgorod all at once.  This was a serious hit to Russia who lost 10ish inf/art spread out over these areas.

With Japan whooping in the Pacific, the U.S. had an impossible choice and made the mistake of splitting his focus.  He never did liberate London.

Italy committed its land forces to Eastern Europe.  I used its planes to hit anything I could of the UK’s in the Med or Egypt.  By the end of turn 5, UK had 2 inf and an anti air gun, 2 transports left, total.

Russia was a PIA for quite a while, but by round 6 the front line was finally at Ukraine in the south and Germany solidly had Leningrad, and could start bombing Moscow and buying nothing but fast movers.

IPC’s were nice.  After G4, Germany was making 52 ipc base plus 15 ipc NO bonuses (London, Scandinavia, and Novgorod).  This plus the 30 ipcs from sacking London easily paid for the units to take and keep London.

In general, I agree with what you are saying. My theory is that it’s better to take two equal but losing positions on separate areas of the board than to take one position of strength. The problem in this case is that the northern Russian stack and British-held oilfields, although in separate areas of the board, aren’t equal positions - Britian is much easier to take down and the reward is much higher. Therefore, in this case there is no alternative but to take one position of strength.

The assumption behind my first comment was that if the Russians link up with the British, the combined stack would actually be enough to create such a position and keep the Germans at bay. In a game where it cannot, what have the Allies been doing for 8+ rounds?

The two scenarios I can think of where the Allies still have a chance after Moscow falls, but the British are weak in the Middle East are 1) Japan does something like an India crush that targets Britain or 2) Britain and America have been making landings in Western Europe. In either of those scenarios, if Russia is to retreat, I agree they should not go down south.

If neither scenario applies, and the British have been attempting to build strength in the Middle East, yet it isn’t enough to stop Germany even with the entire Russian stack, the appropriate move is to concede.

Rulebook Europe 1940 second edition page 14 left column top of page will give you the information that you seek.

I think the only time anything can retreat separately is with an amphibious invasion.

If you only have attacking subs and planes, the subs could submerge (assuming no enemy destroyer) but the planes would have to wait one round before retreating.

Yes, that is allowed. Tanks can do the same thing.

Thank you for the tank song LordFoul.

@gamerman01:

I tried to tell you all.  Before I’d ever played the game one time….

But xzorn, you guys would have been so much better off buying planes and mech infantry!  :lol: (sarcasm)

Planes can’t reach everywhere anymore.  The only other ground unit that can move 2 is mech, and it attacks at 1 and artillery can’t keep up.  The only other ground unit that attacks above a 1 is artillery, and it plods along at one territory per round.

Of course tanks are king, and are worth 6 IPC’s…  Can’t believe it was even a discussion.  :-P

Ditto, gamer. 8-)

Gotta correct you on that Dessert Fox.

If a naval battle occurs in the sea zone prior to the amphibious assault, then you have the option of retreating your navy as per normal BEFORE any round of fire.  This includes the transports involved.

If the naval battle is resolved and the land units are offloaded into the hostile territory, THEN they cannot be retreated and are forced to fight it out.

If you realize in time that your navy is not gonna last against the defending one in that sea zone before the amphibious assault can even go through, you don’t HAVE to sentence your entire navy (transports included) to now certain death.  You declare an amphibious assault assuming that you can win the sea battle, but the sea battle itself can play out just like any other.