New Axis & Allies Global War Variant (free map)

I think the idea is much more simple than that…

The convoy boxes dont represent IP income the same way say a land territory does.

The convoy box represents a point that you can attack a nations income on the high seas because the convoy box is representing all the supply/trade that nation is comsuming to stay in the black. Its a point of interception of the transit of income. The Convoy box should not have a value itself, but rather a maximum value that can be destroyed from a nations IPC pool.

say each box has a value that represents the maximum value that can be destroyed in a turn. Thats what the number should represent which would simplify the accounting.

@Imperious:

The convoy box represents a point that you can attack a nations income on the high seas because the convoy box is representing all the supply/trade that nation is comsuming to stay in the black. Its a point of interception of the transit of income. The Convoy box should not have a value itself, but rather a maximum value that can be destroyed from a nations IPC pool.

say each box has a value that represents the maximum value that can be destroyed in a turn. Thats what the number should represent which would simplify the accounting.

This is the way to go for this map! It is easy to play, and will reflect the importance of convoying very well…

@Imperious:

The convoy boxes dont represent IP income the same way say a land territory does.

The convoy box represents a point that you can attack a nations income on the high seas because the convoy box is representing all the supply/trade that nation is comsuming to stay in the black. Its a point of interception of the transit of income. The Convoy box should not have a value itself, but rather a maximum value that can be destroyed from a nations IPC pool.

say each box has a value that represents the maximum value that can be destroyed in a turn. Thats what the number should represent which would simplify the accounting.

IL, are you saying that if a convoy zone is taken in this scenario, that dice are rolled and that many ipcs, up to the max listed are lost from the owning country’s income on hand, like SBR?

Yea and the total number of potential IPC that can be lost would be the total value in these colonies… thus in the case of UK all her colonies say =37… now you will need to make a number of convoy boxes that is the same as this total from which it can be attacked.

So some convoy boxes will have more value than others…

ok a more easy example: The German baltic convoy box would be the same as the aid Germany recieves from Sweden…i guess that 2 or 3 IPC

In Italys case the convoy box is equal to the value of her african starting colonies as the maximum potential of IPC that can be attacked per turn.

The Soviet Boxes represent the total amount of aid that can be sent via lend lease

US convoy boxes = the total value in all starting territories outside the USA.

Allow Subs, planes, and warships to conduct attacks on these boxes. Each rolls a die= lost income

Aaaah….  I see, that’s a great idea, adds a lot of variance too, as you could attack each turn.

At first I thought you were talking about if UK had 40 total IPCs, the convoys would represent half, and taking them would just deduct that from the total as the supplies couldn’t get through to the homeland. 
Your way forces attacks on them every turn if you want to keep knocking them down.  Very nice.

Yea and it also displays the problem of “island economies”  everything for them is dependant on the ability to get the value of their territorial holdings by ship…which is now abstracted by these convoy zones.

I hope "we"can get an agreement on those convoy boxes and rules… Btw, looking forward to the fifth draft for tomorrow.

A project suggestion, deepblue.
Why don’t you make your first post a release point for drafts.
It’ll be easier for new people to get up to speed.

Wow!  Great discussion.

Glad to see new (and old) contributors to the thread.

Didn’t think Convoy Boxes were such a hot topic.

Everyone made great points.

Micoom,

Your points are valid.  Britain and Japan were reliant on their convoys heavily.  I just don’t think the map needs 5 British convoy boxes in the Atlantic.  But you’re right I may have gotten too carried away with removing convoy boxes (CBs).

I still don’t see how the map needs three British CBs around Africa.  I have left off the CB next to Madagascar.

I will move a CB to the west Med. but I am not sure if I like it, it may make it a bit too crowed, we will see.

I will move the Soviet CB north, good suggestion.
I don’t see how adding another Russian CB will add value to the map.

I will try to add/move a Japanese CB near the Dutch East Indies.  The problem is this area is British so the closest I can get it is near the Palau Island, any further and it will look really out of place.

I liked the idea about the German CB but it will not fit.  I have tried to angle it several different ways and no go.  Even if I make it smaller it will take up almost the entire area and the title still would not fit in the box.  So not sure if that is going to work.  I thought about a punch out box or maybe put the box somewhere close with an arrow, but I don’t really like any of those ideas.

I still do not like the CBs adjacent to the home sea zones of nations. This just doesn’t add value for me.  If these CBs ever become threatened then it is probably too late for the nation and they will have bigger issues to deal with.  So I will try to move them out a bit.

Craig,

Thanks for sharing your maps they are a great resource.  I haven’t had a chance to read the thread but I look forward to it.

Everyone else,

Thanks again for the input.  Good rules discussion I will try to narrow it down and let the thread vote on the system they like once I have the time to absorb them.

I do however think we are a bit off target.  What I want to decide first, is location of the CBs then dive into the rules once the map is set.

All of this is not set in stone.  To be honest I have not given CBs the attention they deserve.  I have focused all my time at creating the sea zones.  They took an unbelievable about of time.

Hey Deepblue,

I’ll take the blame for getting the discussion off topic.  I like having CBs, just had the thought strike me that if we didn’t have a good basis for them (ie, didn’t need them), maybe it would save time for you in making them.

There is basis and need for them and they add alot.  The moves and additions you have I think will work well.

I think the British Med CB instead of another in the Atlantic, though it would seem crowded would be great, especially if you remove one of the ones from the coast of Africa.  Unless the Germans or Italians get to start with sub or something down that way, they are unlikely though I think to hit it unless they are steamrolling the rest of the world.

Yea when can we see a map update?

IL’s idea of adding a dice roll to how attacking convoy zones work is interesting, but I’m not sure if the game needs any more randomness.  Also, if we went with IL’s rules, would that mean that every convoy zone is the same?

No the value on each CB may be different so some convoy areas will represent a higher value of what can be destroyed. I suspect the values will have something to do with what colonies they connect. For example UK will have a small CB off of Canada because thats the only British territory, while Cape Horn CB and South Atlantic will have more action as it may represent india, persia,egypt and eastern africa british territories.

They have maps in the internet that illustrate the primary trading routes during these times. Or you can look at Uboat.net and check out where all the ship sinkings are located.

Remember the value of all the convoy boxes = only the total IPC value of un-connected territories that potentially could be destroyed. In this way some CB are naturally have more trade and a higher potential for interception and destruction.

It’s Friday!

The Fifth draft has arrived!

I have made the following changes from the fourth draft:

Added:
Revised Sea Zones
Corsica

Changed:
West Africa, French West Africa and Madagascar are now British.
Revised the Convoy Boxes.

Reminders:
When reviewing the map please consider both historical accuracy and game play.
The image has been reduced by 50% for faster downloads. (Makes it a little fuzzy)
Unfinished elements have been removed.
This is a work in progress.

http://www.mediafire.com/?enuvyjmek2o

Got a question:  “When reviewing the map please consider both historical accuracy and game play.”

I haven’t been paying that close of attention when does the map take place? I’m asking b/c the UK has a great deal of influence over the South Pacific and Japan doesn’t.

Side note: I like how the US has the Philippines nice touch. I also like how Japan has all the convoy routes in that area.

I like the map; however, do you have a proposal for unit starting locations? I think thats where at least half of the accuracy will come from. Also I think you should take into consideration that for example in North Africa you may have both German and Italian troops in the same places. (I know that that came up just not sure where that led).

Question: was Africa spelled Afrika at the time I looked it up in Websters the only reference to the alternitave was with South Africa starting in 1908. I hate to be a pain but I’ll look into it, but if any of you know off the top of your head I would be grateful.

Thanks for listening to the ramblings of an outsider looking in.

-LT04

I think Japan has one too many CB. I would remove the one above wake island. Japan didnt have any trade routes there. Also you would need a CB between Hawaii and the west coast replacing the one above the marshall islands.

I would boost the one near cape horn as it was a major point of trade and id boost it up to 3 and the one west of west africa should also go to 3.

The sea zones look much better than those lines.

Also is their any way to reduce the waves to 3 rather than 7?

was Africa spelled Afrika

This was only to the Germans who spelled it that way.

Imperious Leader thanks for the clarification.

-LT04

@tekkyy:

Why don’t you make your first post a release point for drafts.
It’ll be easier for new people to get up to speed.

Thanks for the suggestion.  Will do.