Classic 2nd edition discussion

  • 2025

    I agree, you are right that those other games are much closer to balance than Classic is. That’s why I am not against a bid itself, but rather a bid that varies a lot. The value of the bid should allow a game played between two 10/10 experience players to be fair. All bids in all games must be exactly that number, however as A&A is a game of changes with many possibilities, that’s almost impossible so it should be as closely as possible. As long as we are not using a bid that ranges from 0-30 or something we should be fine.

  • 2025

    Also I indeed misunderstood you, I thought the bids in A&A functioned as a handicap so that both players win 50% of the time, but it was to make sure the game is balanced and that only skill influences the outcome of the game.


  • To your second response, I’m glad I was able to communicate it well enough that it’s not a misunderstanding anymore.

    To your first response, OK, thanks for that, I know where you’re at, better now

    So the game by game bid is a beautiful thing.

    If you set a bid (for global for our example) at 30, then both players may want the same side. You could flip for it, but then someone is disappointed they lost the flip. Since you are going back and forth, when one player has gone as low as he is willing to, both sides are satisfied.

    I totally understand the argument against a bid, that it is changing the game setup. This is why @The_Good_Captain set official optional rules that get the game quite close.

    So in the tournament, if it’s not easy like it was easy between you and me, then either bidding can be done or some other way to come to an agreement that no one is disappointed, getting the side they didn’t want.

    Bidding is so popular in the league I’m not used to anyone questioning it or complaining, so if you really don’t have much experience with it yet, of course it would be a good idea if you tried it a few times

  • 2025

    @The_Good_Captain What would be in your opinion the necessary bid to balance the game with the current tournament ruleset?


  • @VictoryFirst said in Classic 2nd edition discussion:

    @The_Good_Captain What would be in your opinion the necessary bid to balance the game with the current tournament ruleset?

    Given what I know the allies can do with IC that the Axis cannot, I wouldn’t take the Axis without at least a +3 bid where I put an extra Japanese infantry in FIC.

  • 2025 2024 '23

    @gamerman01
    Perhaps would be good to have the tournament rules as part of the first post in the thread here. I assume the Russia Restricted rule is in effect for the tournament, which other ones if any from your excellent videos @The_Good_Captain ?

  • 2025 2024 '23 '22 '15 '11 '10 Official Q&A Moderator

    No neutrals is a big one, Spain wrecks the game

    The rules for the tournament are in the tournament section, this thread is for discussing classic in league in general, though we are in a time of transition as I try to coax the Classic fans into the league

    When the time comes to set default rules for Classic in the league, I will try to remember to put that in the opening post, great idea

    I’m quite sure it will be that neutrals are in play if you pay the 3 IPC’s, except Spain is disallowed completely.


  • @gamerman01 Interesting, thanks. Spain would be pretty brutal to play with. The only other interesting neutral (in my very novice opinion) seems to be Mongolia?


  • @Stucifer said in Classic 2nd edition discussion:

    @gamerman01 Interesting, thanks. Spain would be pretty brutal to play with. The only other interesting neutral (in my very novice opinion) seems to be Mongolia?

    There are more I think (interesting) but Mongolia definitely would help Japan, right?


  • Well 2025 flew by I guess.

    I don’t think we have enough players to make a 2025 playoff, but in coming months when some games maybe conclude for me, I’ll stir the waters of the league and get some players to discover/re-discover Classic

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