@Jacob16 ah sorry didn’t know, playing a game now against someone who did that against me and thought it must be ok, they seem to be very experienced at the game.
I’ll put an extra infantry in kweichow and give 1 ipc to russia pls.
L25 Playoff OOB GeneralDisarray (X) V ABH (A) Bid 50
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no scramble.
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Game History
Round: 2 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 3 armour, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 5 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from France to Southern France 1 artillery moved from France to Holland Belgium 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 armour moved from France to Holland Belgium 1 armour moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Southern France 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 110 Sea Zone 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone Combat - Germans Battle in 110 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 cruiser, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 4 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans win with 2 bombers, 1 cruiser, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 40 Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for French: 1 artillery Battle in Holland Belgium Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry French defend with 1 infantry Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from French with 1 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for French: 1 infantry Battle in Southern France Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour Germans win, taking Southern France from French with 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for French: 1 artillery Non Combat Move - Germans 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway 1 aaGun moved from France to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern France to Southern Italy 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 4 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany 3 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Poland 2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania 5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania Place Units - Germans 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 112 Sea Zone 3 armour and 5 mech_infantrys placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 54 PUs -
TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 4 artilleries and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Russians Trigger Russians Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians Combat Move - Russians 2 infantry moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Amur 1 infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Amur 1 artillery and 18 infantry moved from Sakha to Amur Combat - Russians Battle in Amur Russians attack with 1 artillery and 21 infantry Japanese defend with 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries, 12 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 21 infantry in Amur, round 2 : 2/22 hits, 4.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries, 12 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Amur, round 2 : 5/16 hits, 5.33 expected hits 5 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Amur 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 aaGun owned by the Japanese lost in Amur Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 16 infantry in Amur, round 3 : 2/17 hits, 3.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 3 artilleries, 11 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Amur, round 3 : 3/15 hits, 5.00 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Amur 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Amur Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 13 infantry in Amur, round 4 : 3/14 hits, 2.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 3 artilleries, 9 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Amur, round 4 : 10/13 hits, 4.33 expected hits 10 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Amur 3 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Amur 3 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians retreated to Sakha Japanese win with 3 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -31 Casualties for Russians: 18 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 aaGun and 6 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Yenisey 2 infantry moved from Olgiy to Yenisey 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Sikang to Yunnan 1 armour moved from Rostov to Caucasus 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine 3 artilleries moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine 2 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine 5 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus 1 fighter moved from Russia to Western Ukraine 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk Place Units - Russians 3 artilleries placed in Ukraine 1 artillery and 7 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@abh said in L25 Playoff OOB GeneralDisarray (X) V ABH (A) Bid 50:
Japanese regular : 3.33
Russians regular : -2.83not my lucky game…
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Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 3 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Amur to Sakha 1 armour moved from Korea to Sakha 1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Buyant-Uhaa Japanese take Buyant-Uhaa from Russians 1 transport moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Soviet Far East 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow 4 fighters moved from Kwangsi to Kweichow 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Kweichow 2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to Kweichow Combat - Japanese Battle in Soviet Far East Battle in Kweichow Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Kweichow, round 2 : 5/9 hits, 4.83 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kweichow 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kweichow Japanese win, taking Soviet Far East from Russians with 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Sakha Japanese attack with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Russians defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 3 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Sakha, round 2 : 3/11 hits, 3.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Sakha, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Sakha 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 aaGuns owned by the Russians lost in Sakha Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Sakha, round 3 : 0/9 hits, 2.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Sakha, round 3 : 3/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Sakha Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Sakha, round 4 : 3/6 hits, 2.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Sakha, round 4 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Sakha 2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Sakha Japanese win, taking Sakha from Russians with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 6 infantry Casualties for Russians: 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 3 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 3 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan 1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Manchuria to 36 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 5 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 5 infantry and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 5 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China 1 aaGun moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China 1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to Hunan 2 bombers moved from Kweichow to French Indo China 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kweichow to French Indo China 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kweichow to Hunan 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to Hunan 1 transport moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu Place Units - Japanese 1 factory_minor placed in French Indo China 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Kiangsu 3 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Got a little revenge there…
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@GeneralDisarray will do my turns tonight. Sorry for the delay
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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 bomber, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Non Combat Move - Americans 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Southeast Mexico 1 artillery moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Guam to 26 Sea Zone 2 carriers and 1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 armour moved from Western United States to Eastern United States 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 26 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 2 infantry placed in Eastern United States 1 bomber placed in Eastern United States 3 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Central United States: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Western United States: 1 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Southeast Mexico: 1 mech_infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Western United States: 1 mech_infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open Chinese buy 4 artilleries; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese Non Combat Move - Chinese 2 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan 3 artilleries, 1 fighter and 11 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan Place Units - Chinese 4 artilleries placed in Szechwan Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 16 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 110 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 92 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 92 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 1 fighter moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan Combat - British Battle in 93 Sea Zone British attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters Italians defend with 1 submarine British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 93 Sea Zone British win, taking 93 Sea Zone from Italians with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine Battle in Anglo Egyptian Sudan British attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Italians defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Anglo Egyptian Sudan British win, taking Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Italians with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Battle in 110 Sea Zone British attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters Germans defend with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 cruiser in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine owned by the Germans and 1 cruiser owned by the Germans lost in 110 Sea Zone British win with 1 bomber and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Casualties for Germans: 1 cruiser and 1 submarine Non Combat Move - British 1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil British take Brazil from Neutral_Allies 1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 76 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan 2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 71 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia British take Persia from Neutral_Allies 1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 3 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from India to Burma 1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes UK_Pacific take Celebes from Dutch 1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma Place Units - British 3 infantry placed in United Kingdom 1 fighter placed in United Kingdom 1 factory_minor placed in Egypt 1 infantry placed in Union of South Africa British undo move 1. 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom 1 infantry placed in Union of South Africa Turn Complete - British Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 106 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3 British collect 28 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 28 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 7 infantry placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 7 infantryCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@GeneralDisarray yes
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris $ hits OOL?
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@GeneralDisarray max defense. Lose the ships.
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If you haven’t gone yet, tip the carrier and lose one fighter. Max D next turn if the fight goes on.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris What hits do you want to take specifically?
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tip carrier, lose destroyer and 2 cruisers.
Sorry, I saw the screen incorrectly.
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Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 fighter and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Italians Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War Combat Move - Italians 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland Italians take Eastern Poland from Russians 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia 1 armour moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 97 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Algeria 1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Algeria 2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 92 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 2 destroyers moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Kenya to Tanganyika Territory Italians take Tanganyika Territory from British 1 artillery moved from Ethiopia to Italian Somaliland Combat - Italians British scrambles 3 units out of Gibraltar to defend against the attack in 92 Sea Zone Battle in 92 Sea Zone Italians attack with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 2 fighters British defend with 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 5 fighters Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the British 2 fighters owned by the Italians retreated British win with 1 carrier and 5 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -28 Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 2 destroyers Casualties for British: 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer Battle in Algeria Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry British defend with 1 infantry; French defend with 2 infantry Italians win, taking Algeria from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for French: 2 infantry Battle in Tunisia Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry French defend with 1 infantry Italians win, taking Tunisia from French with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for French: 1 infantry Moving scrambled unit from 92 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Gibraltar Moving scrambled unit from 92 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Gibraltar Moving scrambled unit from 92 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Gibraltar 2 fighters owned by the British forced to land in Gibraltar Non Combat Move - Italians 2 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to Southern France 1 bomber moved from Algeria to Southern Italy 1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Greece to Bulgaria Place Units - Italians 1 submarine placed in 95 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in Southern Italy Italians undo move 1. 1 submarine placed in 97 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs
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