Out of the Box 2nd Edition League Discussion

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/20494/mongolia-and-neutrals-rules-summarized-here

This is a link to the pinned thread in the G40 section for Mongolia AND neutrals, vetted by Krieghund, the main writer of the rulebooks
Just providing it now because it should cover all Mongolia and neutral power questions in one-stop shopping

Answer on Korea is yes -

(Bottom page 39, Europe 2nd edition manual)

I finally figured out some of MrRoboto’s charts and statistics in his statistics tab of the ELO rankings spreadsheet.

I changed the range of data to 1/1/24 - 6/30/25 to get the last year and a half’s snapshot.

Statistics like this can be very misleading, especially since these are just a composite of all games that have been finished since 1/1/24 and they are just averages.

Occasionally a bid amount is unknown and is in as a zero. Regardless, average OOB bids have been approximately 46 over the past 18 months, and Axis win percentage is 64.94%.

When you get much above 30 or 40, with current bid rules you can get very gamey starts like the Russian fighters to Yunnan bid. Since 46 is apparently not nearly enough ( @AndrewAAGamer gets his huge “I told you so” here) I recommend you consider more agreed-upon scenarios or starting situations. As opposed to - placing a 90 bid however way you want. Andrew posited an interesting mod that includes stiffer resistance for India and China, and a bigger income shot to USA when she gets in the war, to lean more towards history and game balance at the same time.

46 bids. 65% Axis winning. Broad conglomeration of players, newbies to decades-long aces. You decide what you want. Perhaps use the “Player history search” function to look at the better players and do your own research. This is a pretty shocking result, assuming I didn’t make a big mistake.

I noticed when recording the game that the view was not perfect and farmboy was not showing on the board. I managed to correct that.

Gaze, trembling, at the 1832 ELO and 88.00% win percentage.

1st OOB game notched for the year. Will 3 playoff games be all it takes to qualify him for the playoffs starting in 6 months?

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris I felt hugely disrespected by your analysis

@farmboy yes, make sure you get your 3, I hope

@Booper You are like honey calling out to bears. Or is it cheese to mice? Hopefully I work that into my schedule

That would be great. I’m diving in now. Will not micromanage, just make eagle’s view observations

You went 18 rounds. Clearly you lived up to your rep and didn’t do too much wrong.

Well… yeah… 17

I’m done. You lost the game on G1.

Everyone does it, but it’s greedy to go after 110 and 111 both, ESPECIALLY when Farmboy put a bid fighter on Scotland. You got good enough dice on 111, but… 110 you got punished. Losing 3 planes and a sub to get 2 cruisers and a battleship is really bad.

Yugo, you took 3 hits to dice. That is not good at all due to the location.

And France… everyone (and I usually used to) relies on all ground. This is why you shouldn’t. But let’s put that aside and I’ll just remind you that a long time ago, you got bad dice in France.

110 bad, Yugo bad, France bad, I don’t need to keep looking. You went 17 full rounds against a champ after that G1? Well done!!

It may be time to look for new scriptures. Countless games have been to go after 110, 111, and go after France with all ground to avoid AA losses. It just happens too often. Without any air support, you can lose a lot of ground units in France, and that is punishing.

Oh sure, it would be wonderful to wipe out all 3 fighters on London, and take out the cruisers and battleship at the loss of, say, 2 subs and a plane or 2. And sure it would be great to simultaneously take out 111 plus the bid fighter, for only the cost of a sub or 2 and a battleship. Or get cute and retreat the battleship and leave them a fighter.

But do you know how much luck it takes to get all those 3? Question tradition. Brace for normal or worse dice. Re-evaluate G1. I’m serious.

And finally, last but not least, Farmboy did what he should do. Scramble EVERYTHING. Again, a majority would be afraid of the dice and not want to lose every UK plane on G1. Well, you could say it’s hindsight, but… Farmboy won the game on G1 by saying “scramble everything”, and before that, with a bid placement.

With ALL respect to both!