Out of the Box 2nd Edition League Discussion

gamerman01

Something’s off
I never use Chrome, but I opened it, went to A&A.org, didn’t even log in there, clicked the link to the ELO spreadsheet, also not signed in there, and put talleyrand in the pink box and it properly filtered it.

Seems Chrome isn’t your problem, and that’s all I know
You’ll love it when you get it working.

Caesar1

@gamerman01 Maybe I am working on the wrong link?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTfxxzz_KifSSJTAXSIAUUXGiVEFnzOakleCGT7ho8YpjsqaOqpPswl7LxXhe8vRDHBC0lwElQusU3q/pubhtml#

gamerman01

Yeah the one you posted here looks different than what I see (tabs at top)
But when I click the one that’s in the league rules, it works - you can type in the pink box on that one

FlyingBadger

@Caesar1 @gamerman01
Although both links take you to the same data, they present it differently. I think this is caused by the last part of the URL, which can be a range of different values depending on what you want the person clicking on the link to see.

The URL in the above post by @Caesar1 ends with /pubhtml which I think gives access to the spreadsheet and it’s tabs, but limits what the end user can do (which may be why the filter doesn’t work when using that link).

The URL which is in the League Rules topic ends with /edit (as well some related parameters). This gives the end user access to the full functionality of Google Sheets (you can see additional menus, the toolbar and right clicking on a cell/column/row/tab gives additional functions). Presumably this is why the filtering by username does work when using this link.

FlyingBadger

I think the source for the URL which ends in /pubhtml is this topic https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/40302/the-new-elo-based-ranking-system?page=1

So different website users might be getting a different experience depending on whether they try to access the ELO rankings through the this topic or the league rules topic.

gamerman01

Ahhh, that was by MrRoboto
I can go edit that one.

I am very relieved, thanks for your thorough investigation. It is a happy surprise that you took care of that for everyone

Jacob16

In G40 OOB If Russia attacks Korea does that count as a part of the Mongolian rule thing and make it so that mongolia will never align with the allies?

gamerman01

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/20494/mongolia-and-neutrals-rules-summarized-here

This is a link to the pinned thread in the G40 section for Mongolia AND neutrals, vetted by Krieghund, the main writer of the rulebooks
Just providing it now because it should cover all Mongolia and neutral power questions in one-stop shopping

Answer on Korea is yes -

(Bottom page 39, Europe 2nd edition manual)

gamerman01

I finally figured out some of MrRoboto’s charts and statistics in his statistics tab of the ELO rankings spreadsheet.

I changed the range of data to 1/1/24 - 6/30/25 to get the last year and a half’s snapshot.

Statistics like this can be very misleading, especially since these are just a composite of all games that have been finished since 1/1/24 and they are just averages.

Occasionally a bid amount is unknown and is in as a zero. Regardless, average OOB bids have been approximately 46 over the past 18 months, and Axis win percentage is 64.94%.

When you get much above 30 or 40, with current bid rules you can get very gamey starts like the Russian fighters to Yunnan bid. Since 46 is apparently not nearly enough ( @AndrewAAGamer gets his huge “I told you so” here) I recommend you consider more agreed-upon scenarios or starting situations. As opposed to - placing a 90 bid however way you want. Andrew posited an interesting mod that includes stiffer resistance for India and China, and a bigger income shot to USA when she gets in the war, to lean more towards history and game balance at the same time.

46 bids. 65% Axis winning. Broad conglomeration of players, newbies to decades-long aces. You decide what you want. Perhaps use the “Player history search” function to look at the better players and do your own research. This is a pretty shocking result, assuming I didn’t make a big mistake.

crockett36

@gamerman01 Not a shock to me. I think Andrew has moved OOB Overton window in the right direction. One of the best players on this site told me he loves playing the Allies but can never get a large enough bid.

Btw, Stucifer and I are giving Andrew’s set up a whirl. Good stuff. Enough reinforcements at the outset to slow the Axis down and enough of a cash injection to be a shock to the system.

Arthur Bomber Harris

@AndrewAAGamer this year we have a much harder oob playoff bracket than the previous couple of years. I would wager that the winner of your Farmboy/Andrew quarterfinal will probably win the tournament. So much competition!!!

I am excited to watch the new strategies in your match, and assume the dice gods willl probably be the deciding factor in the close battle.

gamerman01

I noticed when recording the game that the view was not perfect and farmboy was not showing on the board. I managed to correct that.

Gaze, trembling, at the 1832 ELO and 88.00% win percentage.

1st OOB game notched for the year. Will 3 playoff games be all it takes to qualify him for the playoffs starting in 6 months?

farmboy

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Post League Game Results Here:

@AndrewAAGamer this year we have a much harder oob playoff bracket than the previous couple of years. I would wager that the winner of your Farmboy/Andrew quarterfinal will probably win the tournament. So much competition!!!

I am excited to watch the new strategies in your match, and assume the dice gods willl probably be the deciding factor in the close battle.

I’ve just checked out the other games in OOB playoffs. You are right that this has been a stronger OOB playoffs than the last couple of years. But I do think any of us can win the tournament.

farmboy

@gamerman01 we will have to see if this playoffs finish before the end of the year. That is not looking too likely at this point,

AndrewAAGamer

@farmboy said in Post League Game Results Here:

@gamerman01 we will have to see if this playoffs finish before the end of the year. That is not looking too likely at this point,

Well, if you are worried about getting the playoffs done this year you can always take it easy on me and not play your best. 😀

Arthur Bomber Harris

@farmboy I doubt we will finish this year. I still am in a very close match with GeneralDisarray they could stretch on for quite a long time. He is playing well, and the outcome is undecided. the game likely will stretch into the Fall, and that is just the first round of this playoff.

Booper

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

I was encouraging farmboy to start up a game against Andrew for about a month, as it seemed the outcome seemed inevitable. I was just holding on for a possible dicing moment in my favor, that never materialized.

If anyone looks closely at our match and has any tips for me, I’d be happy to discuss and get some feedback.

gamerman01

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris I felt hugely disrespected by your analysis

@farmboy yes, make sure you get your 3, I hope

@Booper You are like honey calling out to bears. Or is it cheese to mice? Hopefully I work that into my schedule

Arthur Bomber Harris

@gamerman01 let’s see what happens.

When I battled against Andrew and Farmboy in past years, I only was able to win with audacious gambles and copious amounts of dice luck including invincible bombers. They both are quite a bit better than me, and I have a feeling that the dice lords will smile on them this year after some previous bad luck.

Booper

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

@Booper You are like honey calling out to bears. Or is it cheese to mice? Hopefully I work that into my schedule

Maybe I will post my own synopsis of some key points in the game, in the OOB discussion forum. Could be some useful lessons learned, for myself and other players.

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