@mike64 question… can fighters land on a damaged carrier? I know they can’t take off from one but if the carrier is damaged on an attack can the fighters still land on it…or are the fighters lost if no landing space is available.
VF (Germany) vs. DoMan (Allies) | Original Europe OOB, Game 2
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Allied bid: 4 inf in Ukraine
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Is this a bug? For some reason I was able to retreat to East Poland, even though my units didn’t come from that territory (except for the German bomber) and there was a battle in East Poland this turn.
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In the Ukraine battle, that is.
Here is the save file: Bug.tsvg
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved
Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 13 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 submarine moved from Denmark Strait Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 4 Sea Zone from British 1 submarine moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Mid-Atlantic Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Halifax Sea Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Azores Sea Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 3 Sea Zone from British 1 submarine moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to North Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from France to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Germany to North Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Germany to North Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Germany to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Baltic Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Baltic States 2 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 armour moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland 2 armour moved from Germany to East Poland 1 armour moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Hungary to Bessarabia 1 armour moved from Hungary to Ukraine S.S.R. 7 infantry moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from Poland to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 submarine moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to Ukraine S.S.R. Combat - Germans Battle in Davis Strait Sea Zone Germans attack with 3 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 transport owned by the British lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone Germans win with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 fighter and 4 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 2 transports Germans roll dice for 4 submarines in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 transports in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British and 2 transports owned by the British lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans win with 1 fighter and 4 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 28 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 2 transports Battle in Bessarabia Germans attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry Russians defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 4 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 armour and 1 infantry Battle in East Poland Germans attack with 3 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry Russians defend with 4 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2,50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 4 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in East Poland, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2,33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in East Poland, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in East Poland, round 4 : 3/6 hits, 2,33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in East Poland, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland Germans win, taking East Poland from Russians with 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Russians: 4 infantry Battle in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans attack with 2 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 7 infantry Russians defend with 1 artillery and 8 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 7 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 5/12 hits, 3,83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 8 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 5/9 hits, 3,00 expected hits 5 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R. 5 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 3/7 hits, 3,00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R. 3 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R. 1 bomber owned by the Germans and 2 fighters owned by the Germans retreated 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 armour owned by the Germans retreated to East Poland Russians win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 6 infantry Casualties for Russians: 8 infantry Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry Russians defend with 3 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 1,67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 3/5 hits, 1,50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry Battle in North Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 3 fighters and 3 submarines British defend with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans roll dice for 3 fighters in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in North Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the British, 1 transport owned by the British and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in North Sea Sea Zone Germans win with 3 fighters and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 36 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport British defend with 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in Gibraltar Non Combat Move - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from East Poland: 2 armour and 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Rumania: 2 armour and 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Czechoslovakia to Poland 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Austria to Hungary 2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary 2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Rumania 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Greece to Yugoslavia 2 armour moved from Northern Italy to Hungary 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria 1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria 2 armour moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Poland 3 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 4 infantry moved from Eastern France to Germany 1 aaGun moved from Germany to Poland 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Austria 2 armour moved from France to Germany 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium 1 fighter moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 4 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 2 fighters moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Finland 1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany 1 fighter moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Germany 1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Rumania 1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Poland Place Units - Germans 13 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 42 PUs; end with 43 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : -0,67 Germans regular : 2,50 British regular : -1,83 -
I put my retreated units in Romania, I am fairly sure it is a bug.
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I just posted this in the TripleA support thread, shouldn’t have done it here actually.
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It turns out it is actually not a bug, but a feature of the rules (thanks to Panther for pointing that out).
So in that case, I would’ve retreated from Ukraine to East Poland. Here is the corrected save file: G1 corrected.tsvg
And I will remember this possibility in the future.
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@VictoryFirst said in VF (Germany) vs. DoMan (Allies) | Original Europe OOB, Game 2:
It turns out it is actually not a bug, but a feature of the rules (thanks to Panther for pointing that out).
So in that case, I would’ve retreated from Ukraine to East Poland. Here is the corrected save file: G1 corrected.tsvg
And I will remember this possibility in the future.
Sorry for interfering:
Actually I pointed out that the old TripleA-Europe map is code-wise based on Classic.
In case you play the Europe-map and want to play by the rulebook, the Europe rules follow newer rulesets. From the Europe (1999) rulebook:
“The attacking land units may only retreat to
an adjacent friendly territory that was under the owner’s control
at the start of the turn – and from which any of the attacking
land units came. The units must all withdraw together to the
same territory.”That denies a retreat option to East Poland in this case.
So when playing Europe players must take care of this specific rule themselves. As v1 rules (Classic) differ from the Europe 1999 -rulebook.
(Reference: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/41391/was-able-to-retreat-to-a-just-captured-territory)
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Panther is right, please use the save file below the turn summary, not the corrected one.
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@VictoryFirst I was not aware that in classic you could rig things so to allow the attack to retreat into a territory that was captured earlier in the turn. That is interesting.
Regardless, will play on with the file where Germany retreated into Romania.
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@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 artillery moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Poland 1 artillery moved from Belorussia to East Poland 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Moscow to East Poland 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from White Sea Sea Zone to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Karelia to Leningrad 1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad 1 armour and 3 infantry moved from Archangel to Russia 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Siberia to Russia 1 armour moved from Moscow to Ukraine S.S.R. 2 infantry moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 armour moved from Turkestan to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 armour and 3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus 3 infantry moved from Turkestan to Belorussia 4 infantry moved from Moscow to Belorussia 2 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Belorussia to East Poland 1 infantry moved from Belorussia to East Poland Combat - Russians Battle in East Poland Russians attack with 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 1 fighter in East Poland, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 armour and 1 artillery in East Poland, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in East Poland 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in East Poland Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 fighter in East Poland, round 4 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 armour in East Poland, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 armour owned by the Germans lost in East Poland Russians win, taking East Poland from Germans with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Casualties for Germans: 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 aaGun moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 aaGun moved from Moscow to Belorussia 1 aaGun moved from Archangel to Russia Place Units - Russians 8 infantry placed in Leningrad Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.67 Russians regular : -0.83 -
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3d6<=3: 4, 2, 6; Hits: 1
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@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - British British buy nothing; Remaining resources: 25 PUs; Combat Move - British Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 destroyer moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Syria to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Palestine to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Libya British take Libya from Germans 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Libya EDIT: 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Halifax Sea Sea Zone EDIT: British undo move 10. EDIT: British undo move 9. EDIT: British undo move 2. EDIT: British undo move 1. EDIT: 1 fighter moved from Malta to Syria 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone Combat - British Non Combat Move - British Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode EDIT: 1 destroyer moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone EDIT: 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone EDIT: 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone EDIT: 2 fighters moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom EDIT: 1 bomber moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom Turn Complete - British British collect 16 PUs; end with 41 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@VictoryFirst Americans attack Germans in Celtic SZ:
[dice 2d6<=3]
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2d6<=3: 1, 2; Hits: 2
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@VictoryFirst Having the Germans fire back, since I killed all 3 subs this time:
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3d6<=2: 2, 2, 6; Hits: 2
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@VictoryFirst As per the rules, the UK Destroyer has to eat the second hit and also die.
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@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 destroyer moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United States to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to South Atlantic Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Morocco Americans take Morocco from Germans Combat - Americans Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone British loiter and taunt; Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter Germans defend with 3 submarines Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone 2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans and Americans reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 destroyer EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom Place Units - Americans 3 fighters placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 45 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.33 Germans regular : 0.00Ignore the dice stats provided for the US turn and calculate based on the actual dice that got rolled.
Likely going to be a very one-sided game based on these initial results but there is still a window for things to change. If you attack the USSR sub it will submerge if it somehow manages to survive the first round of combat.
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